Is Thom Loverro leaving the DC Market?

[hammondsnats]

the lerners are just terrible baseball people.  i can't get it out of my head. 

if we're forced to start pete orr and tim redding next season we're going to lose more and more fans.  i'm sorry but it's a terrible time to be a nationals fan.  the lerners need to wake up and spend some f'n dough to make this club better.

[Sniper 1]

Go back and quote where any of these "preposterous exaggerations" were made.  Please begin with paragraph two ("when did I ever call").  Kthnx.  You also accuse me of stalking you (and you think I need to get over myself?). I think that falls into both the "preposterous exaggeration", and the "false accusation" categories.  I must say however that one did make me laugh.

[OldChelsea]

[...]i'm sorry but it's a terrible time to be a nationals fan.[...]

It was way worse from 1972-2004.

[The Chief]

Perhaps, if posts are going to be deleted for ridiculous reasons (), corresponding posts should also be obliterated. That way we can really pretend none of it went on and not have posts without context.

And what's wrong with me expressing the opinion that I thought a poster here was just keeping it real? But I guess asking that question may doom this post to the bin of deleted posts.

We share a lot of perspectives and while I'm generally pretty lenient on censorship around here, you could really stand to lighten up on complaining about it when I *do* intervene for the sake of civilized discussion.  If you must know, sniper made a rather sexist remark that I felt was insulting and had no place in this discussion, so I removed it.  Removing related posts may have been a little too ham-handed but my intentions were good.  I've got a meeting right now but I'll go back and revive the other posts when I have a chance.  Remind me later if I forget, if you like.

[spidernat]

I read the remark and I didn't see anything wrong with it. I've been called a thing or two here and I've had no issue with anything anyone here calls me. I wouldn't call for anyone to delete those posts because they are insulting. Actually I don't really care if you revive the posts. I just think maybe you should remove wpa's posts and other posts that make reference to it so they aren't out of context. But it's your board so you can do whatever you like.

[tomterp]

I agree with Chief that sniper's comment was over the line.  Everyone deserves to be judged on the quality of what they post, not by their age, race, sex, or other such characteristic.  Too often, people start hurling insults because they are frustrated at being unable to make an articulate response.  Saying someone's arguments are weaker or less valid because of the sex of the poster is completely bogus, as well as insulting and demeaning. 

Anyone who choses to disagree on a point, should be prepared to argue the case on its own merits, or just shut the hell up refrain from entering the discussion.   

[PANatsFan]

I read the remark and I didn't see anything wrong with it. I've been called a thing or two here and I've had no issue with anything anyone here calls me. I wouldn't call for anyone to delete those posts because they are insulting. Actually I don't really care if you revive the posts. I just think maybe you should remove wpa's posts and other posts that make reference to it so they aren't out of context. But it's your board so you can do whatever you like.

dumbass

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I agree but it's not fair to blame them for Orr.

It is if the GM in charge is *their guy* and he signed Orr.

[ronnynat]

It is if the GM in charge is *their guy* and he signed Orr.

In Bowden's defense, though, he signed Orr b/c he had MLB experience and he was in the minors to start the season. He was there as an emergency call-up, which is exactly how he was used. It wasn't a bad signing. I blame the injured.

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I'm not going to nag about the signing, but I'm just stating that you can assign some level of blame to the Lerners for any signings JimBo makes if they're keeping him in charge.

[tomterp]

I'm not going to nag about the signing, but I'm just stating that you can assign some level of blame to the Lerners for any signings JimBo makes if they're keeping him in charge.

For sure, but it's a total performance judgement, the good with the bad.  He also gets credit for the good signings, too.

[hammondsnats]

No the fact is we're relying on Pete Orr because we don't have a low pathetic budget. 

So instead of having a legit everyday starter at 2nd base with a Ronnie Belliard coming off the bench, we're stuck with the likes of not only a Pete Orr to back up, but to spot start.

That falls on the owner and their cheapness. 

Pete Orr, Levale Speigner and about 10 others on this roster would not be on any other MLB roster. 

[ronnynat]

No the fact is we're relying on Pete Orr because we don't have a low pathetic budget. 

So instead of having a legit everyday starter at 2nd base with a Ronnie Belliard coming off the bench, we're stuck with the likes of not only a Pete Orr to back up, but to spot start.

That falls on the owner and their cheapness. 

Pete Orr, Levale Speigner and about 10 others on this roster would not be on any other MLB roster. 

As a September call-up, Speigner definitely would have gotten a chance on other MLB teams (based on his numbers in the minors).

We do need a lot of help here, but injuries absolutely killed us this season; way more than most other teams.

[blue911]

No the fact is we're relying on Pete Orr because we don't have a low pathetic budget. 

So instead of having a legit everyday starter at 2nd base with a Ronnie Belliard coming off the bench, we're stuck with the likes of not only a Pete Orr to back up, but to spot start.

That falls on the owner and their cheapness. 

Pete Orr, Levale Speigner and about 10 others on this roster would not be on any other MLB roster. 

The Royals have John Bale on their squad.

[Nat of the Living Dead]

And somewhere, Pete Orr sheds a tear....

[blue911]

And somewhere, Pete Orr sheds a tear....

Stop it. Pete might be reading this right now and then his feelings would be hurt.

[tomterp]

So instead of having a legit everyday starter at 2nd base with a Ronnie Belliard coming off the bench, we're stuck with the likes of not only a Pete Orr to back up, but to spot start.

Felipe Lopez was supposed to be the legit everyday starter, and for sure he was being paid to be that guy.

On Pete Orr, it was pretty obvious from last night's performance that he's not up to Zimm's standard at third.  However, I bet he's hardly had any fielding reps at third all season.  You can't judge a guy from that one (albeit ugly) performance. 

[hammondsnats]

Felipe Lopez was supposed to be the legit everyday starter, and for sure he was being paid to be that guy.

On Pete Orr, it was pretty obvious from last night's performance that he's not up to Zimm's standard at third.  However, I bet he's hardly had any fielding reps at third all season.  You can't judge a guy from that one (albeit ugly) performance. 

No it's been his whole season (i think he has like 3-4 errors in his few starts).  It's not even just him, its the fact we're all tired of seeing AAAA players night after night.  Sure injuries and poor decisions by our front office will call for that, but it's also because we're on a low budget and can't afford to get the players we need.  I know I know i'm a broken record, but after a long season of seeing this crappy product, its just disturbing.

[cmdterps44]

Well Pete Orr starting there last night, i think shouldnt have been made. Zimmy was sick, sure, but we do have boone, place him there. Id rather see a noticeably better infielder at third than placing Orr there.

This seasons over, just 4 more games and then comes the drought in winter that kills. Hopefully December brings good news, and we dont have to watch crap on the field play crappy.

[sportsfan882]

Bowden doesn't get nearly enough credit for acquiring players such as Anderson Hernandez, Alberto Gonzalez, and Emilio Bonifacio. All have been fairly productive here and all are 25 or under. The guys that we traded away have been completely awful (Rauch, Ayala) and the other guy is a minor leaguer that might never make it to the Show. All 3 trades are complete steals.

Hell, the Milledge for Church/Schneider trade was a huge win for the Nats too. The Dukes trade is one of the most lopsided deals I've ever seen.

Whatever, let's keep giving all the praise to Rizzo and putting all the blame on Bowden for things he cannot control (i.e. payroll). 

The only gripes I have ever had with Bowden is his unwillingness to pull the plug and to move on from certain players (Colome, Redding, etc.). It will be very interesting to see who he elects to bring back for '09.

[spidernat]

Stop it. Pete might be reading this right now and then his feelings would be hurt.

  That usually factors into some people's thinking here. 

It's not even just him, its the fact we're all tired of seeing AAAA players night after night. 

I thought you liked minor leaguers. 

Too often, people start hurling insults because they are frustrated at being unable to make an articulate response.

And of course you have the market on articulate responses, right Mr BP?

Anyone who choses to disagree on a point, should be prepared to argue the case on its own merits, or just shut the hell up refrain from entering the discussion.   

Chief, why not add this gem to the official WNFF posting guidelines?

[The Chief]

And of course you have the market on articulate responses, right Mr BP?

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean anything of the sort

Chief, why not add this gem to the official WNFF posting guidelines?

Is that supposed to be ironic?

[spidernat]

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean anything of the sort

Is that supposed to be ironic?

Actually no. It reads to me like the mighty tomterp has come up with a favorable way to police the discussions. 

[blue911]

Actually no. It reads to me like the mighty tomterp has come up with a favorable way to police the discussions. 

I think Tom is trying to keep things civil. I on the other hand like it when people pinch,bite,scream and pull hair. Tally-Ho!!!

[cmdterps44]

Whatever, let's keep giving all the praise to Rizzo and putting all the blame on Bowden for things he cannot control...

He also got us some bad trades, Austin Kearns, Felipe Lopez? Hey at least he cut Lopez, but he still seems hes going to give Kearns a chance. 

If he puts Wily Mo back out there next year (while showing no improvement at all) maybe his trigger finger can only go so far.

Hoepfully he stays away from Reds we DONT need.

I think Tom is trying to keep things civil. I on the other hand like it when people pinch,bite,scream and pull hair. Tally-Ho!!!

Thats awesome