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Offline varoadking

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Re: Boras Clients
« Reply #75: March 27, 2024, 04:06:15 PM »
Another loss for Boras, Jordan Montgomery finally signs....a one year deal.



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Re: Boras Clients
« Reply #77: April 12, 2024, 10:54:10 AM »
Jordan Montgomery fires Boras.   

https://nypost.com/2024/04/11/sports/jordan-montgomery-dumps-scott-boras-after-nightmare-offseason/


That's great news, I guess for us fans...? Won't have to pay for Boras' artificially jacked up contracts for FA's in the future anymore?

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« Reply #78: April 12, 2024, 11:02:22 AM »
That's great news, I guess for us fans...? Won't have to pay for Boras' artificially jacked up contracts for FA's in the future anymore?

It's great for the game.  Boras' credibility is shot, and if you're a player, doesn't help to see someone like Snell miss ST, come out pitching atrociously as a result, all for a two year deal.  Have to think other players are thinking the same way Jordan Montgomery is.

It's also great for the Nats.  A Boras guy like MacKenzie Gore can leave in '28 if he wants, and would likely get the same 2 year, opt out after 1 deal that possibly reduces lifetime earnings vs. a reasonable 4 or 5 year deal that doesn't require missing ST. 

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« Reply #79: April 12, 2024, 03:47:06 PM »

That's great news, I guess for us fans...? Won't have to pay for Boras' artificially jacked up contracts for FA's in the future anymore?
No, you will. It'll just be a different agent. Lots of pitchers did.

The players getting stiffed in free agency is extremely bad for the game. At best, we're headed towards a work stoppage.

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« Reply #80: April 12, 2024, 07:48:20 PM »
Soto will sign a record breaking contract and Boras will be fine.

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« Reply #81: April 12, 2024, 07:50:34 PM »
It's great for the game.  Boras' credibility is shot, and if you're a player, doesn't help to see someone like Snell miss ST, come out pitching atrociously as a result, all for a two year deal.  Have to think other players are thinking the same way Jordan Montgomery is.

It's also great for the Nats.  A Boras guy like MacKenzie Gore can leave in '28 if he wants, and would likely get the same 2 year, opt out after 1 deal that possibly reduces lifetime earnings vs. a reasonable 4 or 5 year deal that doesn't require missing ST. 

He throws 97. Let’s wait until he’s into arbitration without needing TJ to worry about an extension

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« Reply #82: April 12, 2024, 09:24:27 PM »
He throws 97. Let’s wait until he’s into arbitration without needing TJ to worry about an extension
That should all be part of the equation though, right?  Buy out the arbitration years, give him some long term security and insurance against injury, and he gives us a few free agent years.   Boras always chose to ignore the security portion, thinking it was much better for him to take 10 guys to free agency, even if one or two are busts due to performance/injury.   It's only better for Boras's agency and the 8 guys that it works out for.  Not so much for the 1-2 other guys.  I always assumed that Boras kept some kind of kitty to pay the guys who it didn't work out for.  Otherwise the risk/reward never made sense for the individual players.

There's no deal to be had if Gore sticks with Boras.   I'm sure he'd want a Boras special option laden deal that puts all the risk on the Nats, with no real benefit if Gore turns out to be a stud.   If guys like him leave Boras though, then there could be a deal that makes sense.


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« Reply #83: April 12, 2024, 09:28:26 PM »
I was listening to a podcast talking about pitcher injuries and increased velocity moving down to even the youth levels. So many young guys are just throwing way too hard for their bodies. I think the end result will be pitchers getting treated like running backs. In the short term, they are incredibly valuable, but most will blow up long before they have to get paid

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« Reply #84: April 12, 2024, 09:42:23 PM »
I was listening to a podcast talking about pitcher injuries and increased velocity moving down to even the youth levels. So many young guys are just throwing way too hard for their bodies. I think the end result will be pitchers getting treated like running backs. In the short term, they are incredibly valuable, but most will blow up long before they have to get paid
A friend of mine's son was a LHP at D1 school. By the time he was 21 he had two shoulder surgeries and TJ. He ended up losing his scholarship because he never fully recovered. He did everything he could to get back on the mound, and battled severe depression when he realized his career was over.

Still, i'm sure he would do it all over again.

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« Reply #85: April 12, 2024, 10:09:44 PM »
I was listening to a podcast talking about pitcher injuries and increased velocity moving down to even the youth levels. So many young guys are just throwing way too hard for their bodies. I think the end result will be pitchers getting treated like running backs. In the short term, they are incredibly valuable, but most will blow up long before they have to get paid
It's definitely true, and it really does suck for this baseball fan.   I've spent so many years looking at the day's pitching matchups, looking at my team's scheduled pitchers for the week to see which games I cared about watching or trying to go to.   Taking away starting pitchers at part of the attraction leaves a big hole in the entertainment value for me, and I'm guessing a lot of others.

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« Reply #86: April 12, 2024, 10:11:25 PM »
James Wood is a Boras client unfortunately.

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« Reply #87: April 13, 2024, 09:02:09 AM »
A friend of mine's son was a LHP at D1 school. By the time he was 21 he had two shoulder surgeries and TJ. He ended up losing his scholarship because he never fully recovered. He did everything he could to get back on the mound, and battled severe depression when he realized his career was over.

Still, i'm sure he would do it all over again.

Kids who want it will push themselves. It just sucks that pitching coaches are working with kids so aggressively. Speeds that would have gotten a kid drafted 20 years ago aren’t even D1 now

Offline IanRubbish

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Re: Boras Clients
« Reply #88: April 13, 2024, 10:09:59 AM »
I always assumed that Boras kept some kind of kitty to pay the guys who it didn't work out for.

He sends them to the Nats

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« Reply #89: April 17, 2024, 12:45:13 PM »
It's great for the game.  Boras' credibility is shot, and if you're a player, doesn't help to see someone like Snell miss ST, come out pitching atrociously as a result, all for a two year deal.  Have to think other players are thinking the same way Jordan Montgomery is.

It's also great for the Nats.  A Boras guy like MacKenzie Gore can leave in '28 if he wants, and would likely get the same 2 year, opt out after 1 deal that possibly reduces lifetime earnings vs. a reasonable 4 or 5 year deal that doesn't require missing ST.
No, you will. It'll just be a different agent. Lots of pitchers did.

The players getting stiffed in free agency is extremely bad for the game. At best, we're headed towards a work stoppage.

Interesting takes... I'm eager to see what'll happen in the next few offseasons.