11 games under .500

[PANatsFan]

What? I understand we don't want alot of these guys here because we should be better but why should Walker get a pass instead of Batista, or especially Burnett? I think Burnett has been better than the other 2. As for Lannan, if our rotation works out he definitely wont be in ours but Id still like to see him in our minor league system. (That is if we don't trade him for something good)

Look at walkers numbers. Really look. He strikes out a million guys and walks nobody. He's durable. He should be next year's Batista, and they should get a better righty. Batista has a ton of walks.

Lannan needs to go to AAA and see if he has a career left, because his numbers are just so unbelievably bad. To go with his 6 or 7 era his last few starts, he is allowing 2 BASERUNNERS an inning. He strikes out nobody. He should have given up many more runs than he did.

Strasburg is obviously a #1, we are lucky Livo is pitching like a #2, Martin is a #4, Lannan is playing for the other team, and Atilano is a #5. I am going to pull up season numbers for guys like Mike Bacisk that no one thinks should have sniffed the major leagues, put them blind up against Lannan's, and people can guess. But this is some terrible, terrible pitching. People wanted to throw Marquis into the river after two bad starts, and he's had a long career as a #4/#5 starter. Jim Bowden's star pupil for some reason gives everyone rose colored glasses. He is pitching very, very badly.

Burnett has been up and down but Slaten has just been better. If he's in the back of the bullpen as a second lefty I am ok with that, but the bullpen is just very good and if one more young guy comes up he could supplant him. I'm done letting this crap team rain on Father's Day.

[spidernat]

I was thinking about his other slumps as I was typing that post and concluded that this one seems worse somehow.  Maybe because it's the one that's currently happening.  It's the one with the freshest stench, as it were.

He was ice cold at some point last season after the hitting streak but I remember him being really slumping in a previous year when a lot of people were calling for him to be removed from the 3 hole.

He was bad last July but he picks it up in August and September. I could be wrong about this but he was also dismal in April 2007 and 2008 if I recall correctly.

[PANatsFan]

Daniel Cabrera ERA 6.55, 1.636 WHIP, 7 K's in 6 games, 7 BB's

Mike Bacsik ERA 5.11, 1.411 WHIP, 45 K's, 29 BB's

John Lannan ERA 5.45, 1.803! WHIP, 23 K's, 35 BB's

Do I need to continue? Where's Bacsik when you need him?


If they sent Lannan down when they should have, I'd just feel bad for the guy, but he is a guaranteed loss right now. His numbers are offset by a few good starts.

[spidernat]

His numbers are offset by a few good starts.

Or you could do what others do and just take away his bad starts and judge him only on the good starts.

BTW, how many games were reflected in Bacsik's numbers?

[PC]

We have a day off on Thursday so Lannan could very easily be sent down, ie all of the other pitchers can pitch on normal rest.  We won't need the 5th starter until the 29th.

I don't know what the problem is.  Chico/Martis/Stammen are no more a guaranteed loss than Lannan is at this point.

[Coladar]

What we need to do is bring back Stammen until Detwiler is ready. Lannan is clearly worse than Atilano now, and the first that needs to go. Stammen has been great in AAA and his last ML start was lights out. If he succeeds up here, when Detwiler is ready then send Atilano down. The fact we send the same lineup night after night, and refuse to change pitchers, says this team has a losing mentality from the top on down, when there are some alternatives to what we have right now.

[DPMOmaha]

Atilano was pretty stellar in AAA before getting the call too.

[PC]

If Detwiler has one more good start, I believe they'll bring him up for that 29th start and send Lannan down.

[DPMOmaha]

If Detwiler has one more good start, I believe they'll bring him up for that 29th start and send Lannan down.

He hasn't gone more then 4 innings yet and you want to throw him to big league hitters?

[PC]

He hasn't gone more then 4 innings yet and you want to throw him to big league hitters?

I certainly don't want Lannan pitching to big league hitters and isn't Detwiler just on a pitch count?  How many innings should he use up in the minors?

[DPMOmaha]

I certainly don't want Lannan pitching to big league hitters and isn't Detwiler just on a pitch count?  How many innings should he use up in the minors?

I'm assuming they'll have him go 5 in his next start and 6 after that.  I'd prefer to see him go one start where he sees a lineup 3 times into the 7th.  So, I'd say at least 11 maybe as many as 20 more before he gets to face big leaguers at least one of those should be in AAA.  Get Stammen back up here or give Batista a spot start before rushing Detwiler up.

[cmdterps44]

Over the last 14 days he's had two off days and one game in which he DH'd. We have Thursday off and he can DH another game this weekend if necessary. If he DH's a game in Baltimore that would be 3 off days and two DH days in 21 days. How many days off does a "face of the franchise" require?

One more. He can't hit crap right now. Sitting him is better than doing anything else with him. If not, give him more time in the cages on the off day or something.

Look at walkers numbers. Really look. He strikes out a million guys and walks nobody. He's durable. He should be next year's Batista, and they should get a better righty. Batista has a ton of walks.

Burnett has been up and down but Slaten has just been better. If he's in the back of the bullpen as a second lefty I am ok with that, but the bullpen is just very good and if one more young guy comes up he could supplant him. I'm done letting this crap team rain on Father's Day.

I'm not arguing about anyone else. I was just curious why you have Walker over two other guys who have been decent. Its a good problem this year that our bullpen is actually serviceable. I like Walker more than Batista but I just wanted your reasoning on why you'd say Walker is a definite.

As for Burnett, he's been pretty good himself. I don't see any up or down stats. The worst appearance he had was 8 games ago giving up 2 runs without getting an out. Since May 10th hes been able to get an inning in every appearance except for two. That's 14 out of 16 appearances he's been pretty serviceable. I believe hes turned a new leaf and has shown why he deserves to be in here... for now.

[JMW IV]

ok PA, you have convinced me. Lannan has to go. now.

good grief that was a really bad comparison.

[PANatsFan]

Or you could do what others do and just take away his bad starts and judge him only on the good starts.

BTW, how many games were reflected in Bacsik's numbers?

I assume that's a joke because my caveat holds true.

20 starts for Bacsik, 29 games. 13 starts in 13 games for Lannan.


Lannan is not a major league pitcher right now, and you can't spin it in any way at all. It's not personal, but the team and most of the fans are watching a different game I guess. Dave Jaegler was quietly mentioning just how bad that WHIP is.

[PANatsFan]

I'm not arguing about anyone else. I was just curious why you have Walker over two other guys who have been decent. Its a good problem this year that our bullpen is actually serviceable. I like Walker more than Batista but I just wanted your reasoning on why you'd say Walker is a definite.

As for Burnett, he's been pretty good himself. I don't see any up or down stats. The worst appearance he had was 8 games ago giving up 2 runs without getting an out. Since May 10th hes been able to get an inning in every appearance except for two. That's 14 out of 16 appearances he's been pretty serviceable. I believe hes turned a new leaf and has shown why he deserves to be in here... for now.

CMD that is a very good post. Burnett is a major league pitcher and I guess I was a little harsh - the bad sticks with you more than the good, you know? Walker has a sustained record of several good years of success.

[tomterp]

Dave Jaegler was quietly mentioning just how bad that WHIP is.

Jags is consistently excellent, and modestly so.

[Dave B]

What bothers me more is his attitude about it all. I sit the second row right where the batters walk down to the dugout, and he doesn't seem phased. Today I simply wasn't wasting my time on this team as hot as it was and burn up in the sun, and watched parts on tv. I saw him strikeout once and you could clearly see him say "wow" with a shrug. Get ****ing pissed off, throw **** at this point. Don't say wow with a half grin. I get he's known as a hard worker, but likewise I see a lot you don't see on camera and It seems to me he doesn't seem to care that much about his performance of late. Not a "doesn't show it in public" either, I mean he literally doesn't seem to care. That kind of mentality in the clubhouse could explain 80% of our recent tailspin.

he did the same freaking "wow" smile after k'ing for the 4th time yesterday in the ninth inning

[Dave B]

He was ice cold at some point last season after the hitting streak but I remember him being really slumping in a previous year when a lot of people were calling for him to be removed from the 3 hole.

He was bad last July but he picks it up in August and September. I could be wrong about this but he was also dismal in April 2007 and 2008 if I recall correctly.

he is a garbage time all star

[The Chief]

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