Foster Griffin traded to the Guardians

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Casey Mize, slightly (maybe significantly? 2.5 FIP to be fair vs Griffins 4.0) better rental than Griffin got a 45+ FV prospect (#2 from SDP, terrible farm system) Kash Mayfield

how many years of control for Mize?

[Squab]

how many years of control for Mize?

he's a free agent after this year I think.

[bluestreak]

Mize is a rental

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Mize is a rental

crud, I keep on thinking of him as an emerging stud. 2 guys I goofed on team control within an hour.

[tomterp]

Mize is a rental

Same as Griffin, seems like we didn't do too badly.

Getting more quantity in terms of pitchers makes more sense in view of heightened injury risk.  Also, if you have faith in your player development abilities you may see aspects of your trade bounty that make you think you can add value. 

[Squab]

Same as Griffin, seems like we didn't do too badly.

Getting more quantity in terms of pitchers makes more sense in view of heightened injury risk.  Also, if you have faith in your player development abilities you may see aspects of your trade bounty that make you think you can add value. 

yeah I have to imagine they're looking at guys who match profiles that they think they can develop and/or have stuff they can't (like high IVB fastballs?)

[JCA-CrystalCity]

If Hartle makes it, it's a nice return. Dion is a major league lefty, not roster filler

[welch]

The fact Toboni could not get one Top 10 team prospect from either trade is a fireable offense.

Call Mike Rizzo. Toboni has lost every trade, except the bottom-level trade that reaturned Curtis Mead. And then he traded Mead for an injured starting pitcher to replace Jake Bennett. Toboni got Cleveland's Number 25 prospect? That's it?

[aspenbubba]

I would have rather acquired ONE viable prospect than 4 we received, one of which is an OF. And I believe a QO if rejected, would yield a much higher rated  prospect than the four we received. Toboni = D-

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

I would have rather acquired ONE viable prospect than 4 we received, one of which is an OF. And I believe a QO if rejected, would yield a much higher rated  prospect than the four we received. Toboni = D-

Like I said in the other thread. I just think this is experienced GMs taking a young GM to task.

[Lintyfresh85]

I think we'll revisit this thread in a few years and realize Toboni made the right moves at the 2026 deadline.

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

I think we'll revisit this thread in a few years and realize Toboni made the right moves at the 2026 deadline.

That could be the case but I seriously doubt it. These are throw away arms being dealt for two of our best players. He completely botched the bullpen and we’re fixing it by stripping our team of some of its best players. I mean, I get it to some degree. Something had to be done but he’s seemingly getting poor value in all of these trades with the exception of Early who might be hurt worse than we know?

[tomterp]

I would have rather acquired ONE viable prospect than 4 we received, one of which is an OF. And I believe a QO if rejected, would yield a much higher rated  prospect than the four we received. Toboni = D-

Griffin's been on the market the last few weeks and for all we know this was the best deal offered.  One guy fill an immediate need while the rest are developmental projects.  I doubt he had better offers but chose this one instead, right?  Are you thinking he should have just declined the offer and taken the draft pick for 2027? 

Adding 3 prospects with some time under their belts puts them closer to being contributors, we're not really talking GCL or low A here I don't think.

[IdahoNat]

If there was no good trade haul to be made, just simply don't make it. Enjoy Griffin for the last two months, signal to the current players on the team there is still a chance and then take the risk of trying to re-sign him, and if you don't, you move on. People gave Rizzo crap for not trading Dunn, and I believe they drafted Alex Meyer with that comp pick who they then turned into Denard Span. Never make a move for the sake of making a move.

[tomwvr]

Its time to
Boycott this piece of crap org.

[tomterp]

Toboni is live on the TV game broadcast discussing the deals.

And the interview turns to gold as Lile puts the Nats up 3-0 with a 2 run dingy!   

[aspenbubba]

Griffin's been on the market the last few weeks and for all we know this was the best deal offered.  One guy fill an immediate need while the rest are developmental projects.  I doubt he had better offers but chose this one instead, right?  Are you thinking he should have just declined the offer and taken the draft pick for 2027? 

Adding 3 prospects with some time under their belts puts them closer to being contributors, we're not really talking GCL or low A here I don't think.

Yeah I do think the QO would have yielded a better prospect than the dregs we got. I would be surprised if even one of the acquisitions has more than a cup of coffee for the Nats. Overall I don’t think Toboni has won more than one trade not including Mead.

[imref]

ESPN grades: Guardians: A-,  Nats: C

The Nationals were in a no-win situation here. Even though Griffin is technically a rookie, he's headed to free agency. He doesn't throw hard and teams have trended to preferring velocity in their postseason rotations. Maybe there are also, understandably, some doubts about whether Griffin can sustain this level.

This package thus feels a little light as the Nationals settled for four prospects, with Hartle the only one of the four ranked in Cleveland's top 30 at MLB.com (at No. 25). He's actually similar to Griffin in that he lacks big-time velocity but has a wide arsenal of pitches. Dion has reached the majors and has a fine 25/3 strikeout-to-walk ratio in 19 innings, but he's a lefty reliever with a 91 mph fastball.

[Squab]

Yeah I do think the QO would have yielded a better prospect than the dregs we got. I would be surprised if even one of the acquisitions has more than a cup of coffee for the Nats. Overall I don’t think Toboni has won more than one trade not including Mead.

it’d basically a 3rd round pick, last few 3rd rounders for reference (ai search disclosure):
2026: Luke Williams (SS, Franklin Regional High School, PA) – No. 78 overall
2025: Landon Harmon (RHP, East Union HS, MS) – No. 80 overall
2024: Kevin Bazzell (C, Texas Tech) – No. 79 overall
2023: Travis Sykora (RHP, Round Rock HS, TX) – No. 71 overall
2022: Trey Lipscomb (3B, Tennessee) – No. 84 overall

I think it’s very debatable, if you’re lucky, it turns out to be a top 10 prospect 2-3 years from now.

[bluestreak]

People here are completely delusional. If someone had said in March that the Nats were going to turn Foster Griffin, Luis Garcia, and Curtis Mead into 9 players, all with years of control, some major league ready, an at least three of whom immediately slot into our top 30 prospects, you would have tried to have them committed.

Now everyone is going nuts saying that Toboni is getting fleeced. 1) How do we have any idea how this trade is going to turn out. There are people here who thought we lost the Soto trade when it happened. Or at least that it was a toss up. 2) what on earth did you expect for these guys. Thinking you’re going to get a teams top ten prospect for a two month rental of Foster Griffin, means you don’t understand modern baseball.

This team isn’t going to win in the near or long term future. The reason is the pitching. The team went out and got some pitching. You’re going to need volume to fill out the farm system becasue nobody on this roster other than Wood and Abrams is bringing anyone’s stud prospects. 

I’ve got many, many issues with how this team is run. I probably would have kept Mead, but it wasn’t egregious to trade him. But among the things I think the front office has done wrong, handling of the 2026 deadline is pretty low on the list.

[imref]

we got a lot of guys who can contribute next year, and we kept CJ. If we sign a starting pitcher (or two) in the off-season, this could be a playoff team next year. I thought it telling that we focused on guys who were at AA and above in our returns.

[welch]

A nothing return. as if Mike Rizzo was GM of the Guardians. Toboni could have kept Griffin for a QO, but got four pitchers who duplicate the guys already in the low minors. Oh, and yet another OF who cannot hit. Smart trade, Cleveland.

[OfftheBat]

The fact Toboni could not get one Top 10 team prospect from either trade is a fireable offense.

Yeah at that point just hold on to Griffin... freak making a move just for the sake of making a move

[tomterp]

Yeah at that point just hold on to Griffin... freak making a move just for the sake of making a move

You'd take the unknown future 1 third rounder over 3 high minors/1 MLB guy now?

Seems more thought out than just making a move for the sake of making a move. 

[Smithian]

Its time to
Boycott this piece of crap org.

This is the first competitive season is a half decade and the Farm System is deeper than it’s been in a decade

And this is when you’re bailing?