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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #75 on: January 22, 2026, 11:21:24 pm »
https://x.com/bobby_blanco/status/2014481146554269891?s=46

This doesn’t have the effect he thinks it does. We’ve been living this crap a lot longer than he has.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #76 on: January 23, 2026, 07:50:28 am »
Do you mean get ready for the 2020-25 Nats?

No, there were still some parts in MLB or near MLB ready with Rizzo. I picture an Orioles/Astros rebuild where they liquidate anything of present and near-present value.

I’m not saying it is the wrong way to rebuild, especially in an extreme cost-controlled environment. Just that I expect it to be extremely ugly short-term.

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« Reply #77 on: January 23, 2026, 08:27:23 am »
Recap of mlb pipeline scouting reports on the return for Gore: https://www.mlb.com/milb/news/analyzing-the-nationals-return-in-the-mackenzie-gore-trade

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #78 on: January 23, 2026, 09:05:42 am »
Do you mean get ready for the 2020-25 Nats?
nah, the Os analogy was to more than bad records. The Os actually built to a few years of very good records through development and prospect hoarding.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #79 on: January 23, 2026, 09:22:31 am »
Rosario being our for all of 2026 and two seasons total sours me on this deal a lot more. I feel like it's going to be very hard to come back from being on the shelf for that long. I'm also partial to Longenhagen so him being low on Fien is disappointing.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #80 on: January 23, 2026, 09:31:00 am »
Rosario being our for all of 2026 and two seasons total sours me on this deal a lot more. I feel like it's going to be very hard to come back from being on the shelf for that long. I'm also partial to Longenhagen so him being low on Fien is disappointing.
Its the two seasons that really concerns me. WTF happened? Did Toboni even get medicals for this?

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« Reply #81 on: January 23, 2026, 09:41:42 am »
A couple of guys in the 50-100 range in MLB wouldn't have been too much to ask for.
Mackenzie Gore was our best pitcher by fault. He's had one sub-4 ERA seasons. A 6.1 WAR pitcher ... combined over the past the two seasons. A couple Top 100 prospects is absolutely too much to ask for.

It's a good chance Fien finished a Top 100 prospect this upcoming season and Rosario is a big time lottery ticket. I already said this is borderline a return where I'd have bet on Gore through the deadline, but it isn't like we gave up a luxury item for scraps.

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« Reply #82 on: January 23, 2026, 09:45:43 am »
I've got to assume they did due diligence on Rosario. I think it's his 1st TJS, so I have some faith in the recovery process. I will guess they tried rich platelets and some sort of non-surgical option last season, but not doing this in September was questionable on Texas's part. It's really more than 2 years if he's having his surgery the last week of January. It's a lot of 2027 too. Maybe it's limited to a brace rather than full TJS.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #83 on: January 23, 2026, 09:48:34 am »
Is there any reason to go to a game this season if we go with a hope of seeing the Nats win. Who did the Nats get to help the team win? Another SS for a team l;oaded with minor league shortstops? A pitcher read to have TJS? Did the Nats just collect a second AAA team? Or are these players intending for Wilmington and Harrisburg?
It's sports. Half the teams will win, half the teams will lose. I'll enjoy the the game if I believe in the process. I enjoyed 2010 and 2011 nearly as much as any season in Nationals history because I believed in the process.

Other than a small false dawn in 2023, the process has clearly been broken sine 2020.

We'll have a better idea of where this is headed in a few months. If the minors system looks in a better place following work done by DeBartolo then Toboni and the roster is filled with interested players and youth, I'll be intrigued.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #84 on: January 23, 2026, 09:53:18 am »
Mackenzie Gore was our best pitcher by fault. He's had one sub-4 ERA seasons. A 6.1 WAR pitcher ... combined over the past the two seasons. A couple Top 100 prospects is absolutely too much to ask for.

I look at what Cabrera got the Marlins, Shane Baz for the Rays, and have to disagree. Peralta has had better results, but it's 1 year. Maybe Fien is a top 100, and maybe the combo of Fitz-Gerald and Rosario is better than a 70th ranked prospect. More prospects with high upside probably beats one guy a bit more likely to hit. This is why Toboni gets paid to do this rather than moderate a message board :lol:

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« Reply #85 on: January 23, 2026, 09:56:44 am »
Mackenzie Gore was our best pitcher by fault. He's had one sub-4 ERA seasons. A 6.1 WAR pitcher ... combined over the past the two seasons. A couple Top 100 prospects is absolutely too much to ask for.

It's a good chance Fien finished a Top 100 prospect this upcoming season and Rosario is a big time lottery ticket. I already said this is borderline a return where I'd have bet on Gore through the deadline, but it isn't like we gave up a luxury item for scraps.

A couple, maybe, but look what the Marlins just got for Edward Cabrera.  A major league ready top-50 guy is arguably worth more than the entire package the Nats took, and the Cubs got 2 more lottery tickets that would be equivalent to those in the Nats package as well.  That's for an equivalent or slightly weaker pitcher who is older (but has one more year of control). 

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« Reply #86 on: January 23, 2026, 10:02:32 am »
I look at what Cabrera got the Marlins, Shane Baz for the Rays, and have to disagree. Peralta has had better results, but it's 1 year. Maybe Fien is a top 100, and maybe the combo of Fitz-Gerald and Rosario is better than a 70th ranked prospect. More prospects with high upside probably beats one guy a bit more likely to hit. This is why Toboni gets paid to do this rather than moderate a message board :lol:
Freddy Peralta ERA last year was about a run and a half lower than Gore.  It's a significant difference in performance.  Career numbers aren't as far off (about 0.60 lower) but you have to consider recent results and trends.  Gore has equal stuff or better but Peralta knows how to pitch.  Mackenzie is a 4/5 starter on a contender.  Waiting until the deadline might have increased his value but who knows.  Time will tell.  Lots of people here bashed the return for Soto a few years ago. 

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« Reply #87 on: January 23, 2026, 10:06:01 am »
I look at what Cabrera got the Marlins, Shane Baz for the Rays, and have to disagree. Peralta has had better results, but it's 1 year. Maybe Fien is a top 100, and maybe the combo of Fitz-Gerald and Rosario is better than a 70th ranked prospect. More prospects with high upside probably beats one guy a bit more likely to hit. This is why Toboni gets paid to do this rather than moderate a message board :lol:
I disagree on you placing Gore with in a Cabrera conversation. I agree we don't have any insight but it's still fun to debate

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #88 on: January 23, 2026, 10:47:54 am »
Reading the write ups on the hitters acquired, they all seem to profile as guys who pull the ball in the air. That's something Toboni has talked about targeting.

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« Reply #89 on: January 23, 2026, 12:20:43 pm »
I disagree on you placing Gore with in a Cabrera conversation. I agree we don't have any insight but it's still fun to debate

Why? They're pretty similar pitchers in terms of outcomes, and Gore's better and younger.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #90 on: January 23, 2026, 12:45:21 pm »
I disagree on you placing Gore with in a Cabrera conversation. I agree we don't have any insight but it's still fun to debate

Why? They're pretty similar pitchers in terms of outcomes, and Gore's better and younger.

I actually think Cabrera is a very good comparison. Gore has been healthier, but Cabrera has one more year of control

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #91 on: January 23, 2026, 12:56:07 pm »
I'm willing to give up a bit on distance to the majors for higher upside and likelihood of payoff. Rosario wouldn't be available but for the injury but the upside looks like he's worthwhile

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #92 on: January 23, 2026, 02:01:27 pm »
Why? They're pretty similar pitchers in terms of outcomes, and Gore's better and younger.
I actually think Cabrera is a very good comparison. Gore has been healthier, but Cabrera has one more year of control
Cabrera had a better ERA season last year in 130 than Gore ever had in a full season. Gore collapsed. I'll grant you Gore maybe is safer than Cabrera.

Staying on the Cubs, the Cubs did work on Gore. Rumor is they wanted him at the deadline. They'll have done lots of work on Gore, and DeBartolo is still on staff and he led the work on Cubs prospects. Cubs trading for Cabrera, not Gore, tells me the Nationals rate Rangers options better or the Cubs rate Cabrera better.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #93 on: January 23, 2026, 03:19:07 pm »
Toboni was on G&D and Grant asked him about Rosario's injury and delay. Toboni said he had a small surgical procedure last year that delayed his TJS

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« Reply #94 on: January 23, 2026, 03:52:16 pm »
Toboni was on G&D and Grant asked him about Rosario's injury and delay. Toboni said he had a small surgical procedure last year that delayed his TJS
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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #95 on: January 23, 2026, 04:13:11 pm »
Generally positive review of the prospects received for Gore from FG's Eric Longenhagen.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/cherry-blossom-seeds-washington-eyes-rebirth-with-five-prospect-haul-in-gore-trade/

Says any one of Fien, Rosario, and Fitz-Gerald could be seen as the headliner in the deal, while both Ortiz and Cabrera are not nothings. Recognizes he's more down on Fien than other evaluators. Says many folks saw him as mid-1st round talent while he had him in the mid 30s in last year's draft.
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Fien swings hard, he has impressive power for his age, and he was one of the top performers on the high school showcase circuit, with a 1.045 OPS in events tracked by Synergy Sports from 2023 to 2024. The scouts and clubs who liked Fien the most before the draft considered him a mid-first round prospect, and one of the best couple of high school hitters in the class. I was (and am) personally a fair bit lower on Fien, and had him ranked 34th. The length and awkward look of his swing gave me pre-draft pause about his ability to match pro velocity, and I think Fien’s infield actions will at least force him to third base, if not to right field (where his arm would be weapon). The combination of strikeout risk and a corner fit, at least in my eyes, relegated him more to the comp round despite his power.

The Rosario story is retold how he was one of the top high school pitchers but had a firm commitment to Miami, where he went and stunk. Texas took him late and overhauled his delivery giving him not just great stuff but also great command, making him one of the top pitching prospects before his injury.
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The time off obviously creates a great degree of uncertainty about how Rosario will look when he returns, and the mysterious (and understandably private) nature of the issues that contributed to the delay in his TJ are even more difficult to account for when you’re trying to line him up on a prospect list. But his look and performance in 2024 — mid-90s heat and three plus pitches including a potentially elite splitter — reads a lot like Trey Yesavage’s scouting report. This is the player in the deal who I think has the highest individual ceiling.

Fitz-Gerald draws a Jed Lowrie comp. Switch hitter with loft and good bat speed, with a little skepticism about his exceptionally good contact skills that he showed over a small sample at lower levels last year.
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Because of the nature of his swing, Fitz-Gerald will likely be vulnerable to elevated pitches as he climbs. He has some feel for getting his hands to those spots, but he hasn’t faced anything close to big league velocity; he might be thriving because he’s a compact, short-levered guy rather than because of actual feel to hit.

Ortiz has less potential but a quick path to the majors as a 1st baseman platoon guy with pop.

Cabrera has some potential as a CF defender with pop.
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He’s got a shot to play a role as a whiff-prone, plus-gloved part-time outfielder in a few years.

Suggests we won't really know how these guys are likely to be for 3 years or so. I'd say that's consistent with a time-frame of dealing Abrams and holding Wood for now.

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Re: Gore traded to the Rangers for prospects
« Reply #96 on: January 23, 2026, 04:27:45 pm »
then there's this about the overall package:

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romorr: Orioles and Rangers paid similar prices for Gore/Baz. Considering the prospects + pitchers, which do you prefer?

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Eric A Longenhagen: Gimme the Gore package. Rosario’s ceiling is that of a player you basically can’t acquire. Tampa didn’t get that in the Baz deal.
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/eric-longenhagen-prospects-chat-1-23-06/

Pretty clear he's very high on Rosario, who would have been unavailable but for the delay in surgery and the need to roster him at the end of this year.