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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2025, 07:59:45 am »
So build a team like MLB did until Catfish Hunter freaked everything up...thru the draft and trades...
So basically, go back to no free agency at all. Teams own the rights to players in perpetuity.

That's freaking stupid.

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2025, 08:08:44 am »
I look at MLB and Harley Davidson as having similar issues. Both rely on tradition as a large part of their core market but need to attract a younger base. However the cost makes the product above the means for your average person. Neither of these are trying to improve the product just the bottom line.

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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2025, 10:11:01 am »
I look at MLB and Harley Davidson as having similar issues. Both rely on tradition as a large part of their core market but need to attract a younger base. However the cost makes the product above the means for your average person. Neither of these are trying to improve the product just the bottom line.

FWIW, overall MLB attendance has grown the last 3 years and they just had a big jump in ratings for the WS.

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2025, 10:34:15 am »
FWIW, overall MLB attendance has grown the last 3 years and they just had a big jump in ratings for the WS.

I posted this in the wrong thread.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2025, 10:41:50 am »
Marvin Miller agreed to deferring free agency for 6 years in order to limit the number of guys who would be free agents in any  one year. He believed scarcity would drive prices up. If you removed guaranteed contracts and had large numbers of free agents, then you would see downward pressure on the salaries of all but the elite players. Soto could change teams every year for $50+ million per, but most players would see their pay drop.

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« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2025, 10:44:11 am »
I posted this in the wrong thread.
you want me to move this over to the out of town "fix baseball" thread?

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« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2025, 02:51:27 pm »
you want me to move this over to the out of town "fix baseball" thread?

Yep

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2025, 05:20:50 pm »
Bring back the Expos!... ;)

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« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2025, 08:23:35 am »
Bring back the Expos!... ;)

watched about half of the Netflix documentary last night, planning to watch the rest tonight. Very interesting so far.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2025, 07:43:25 am »
Rendon expected to retire. Working in a contract buyout :

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/11/angels-anthony-rendon-discussing-contract-buyout-with-rendon-expected-to-retire.html

"The Angels could open up some more payroll flexibility for the 2026 season."

I rest my case...

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #35 on: November 27, 2025, 08:58:30 am »
"The Angels could open up some more payroll flexibility for the 2026 season."

I rest my case...

Glad Darragh McDonald is an expert in the Angels payroll :roll: Im sure the team that generated *checks* 400+ million in revenue really needs payroll flexibility for their *checks* 126 million dollar payroll. Im sure the few million that they save will really open things up.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #36 on: November 27, 2025, 09:10:21 am »
Glad Darragh McDonald is an expert in the Angels payroll :roll: Im sure the team that generated *checks* 400+ million in revenue really needs payroll flexibility for their *checks* 126 million dollar payroll. Im sure the few million that they save will really open things up.

But you are?

"As it currently stands, RosterResource has them slated for a $166MM payroll."

...and MLB player payroll isn't the only cost attributed to financing and running an organization...

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2025, 09:15:13 am »
Ooohhhhh no . 166 million!! HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET BY!?!?!?

Your argument is garbage. If guaranteed contracts were hampering teams, no one would offer them. But somehow, teams have them and still maintain competitiveness. The Angels had Ohtani and Trout on the same team and couldn't make the playoffs. They're just a crap franchise with crap ownership. No amount of payroll flexibility will solve that.

Meanwhile, the Blue Jays have 42 million wrapped up in dead weight ans are paying 15 million for a utility infielder, just slapped down 200+ million for a pitcher.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2025, 07:02:15 am »
Does MLB need to be saved? It looks like Manfred's reforms have made the game more entertaining, increased TV ratings, and, importantly, decreased the average age of MLB fans. Could MLB be better? Yeah probably.

I've been thinking about the question of what should fans want in the upcoming MLB labor dispute. Obviously fans aren't at the bargaining table and anything that comes out of the process must presumably be something that either owners or players would want. But what should we be cheering for as generally in the interests of baseball?

  • No disruption. No lockout, no strike, no risk of missed games. It seems owners are committed to a lockout and Manfred made some statement to the effect that lockouts will be the new normal: this is very bad. Lockouts and strikes should not be Plan A for either side, this is the sign of a dysfunctional labor relations program.
  • It should be easy - ideally easier - for franchises of both small and large markets to build entertaining, winning teams. Don't restrict the ability of teams like the Dodgers to sign everyone, but make it easier for less spendy teams to build through the draft.
  • 21st century access to games. Come on man, we just want to be able to watch any team we want - including our home team - from any device. We've had the technology for like a decade now.

I was expecting to have more things on there, but I think our interests can be expressed as "competitive games between entertaining teams, and the ability to watch them."

Personally, I am skeptical of both a salary cap and a salary floor. I don't think capping the Dodgers at 200 million is going to make the Nationals or the Pirates that much better. I don't think that forcing the Pirates to spend an extra $20 million is going to make them meaningfully better. I would be willing to grant the players a salary floor in exchange for something else of value.

If you remember the 2021 MLB labor crisis, a major issue was that teams didn't value 30+ year old FAs as much as they used to. At that time, the market for older FAs was collapsing. The players wanted to adjust to this new reality by starting free agency a year early. I think this would be absolutely devastating to small market teams that develop through the draft, it's one of the worst things you could do for parity. I wonder actually if we could do the opposite: give teams an extra year of control in exchange for starting arbitration earlier. Sounds totally unacceptable to players but I bet you could make the math work. Probably you'd have to limit the ability of teams to non-tender. Or do what the NBA does and give the team that drafted a new FA a huge advantage in signing them.


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« Reply #39 on: December 02, 2025, 08:41:39 am »
If there were a ceiling, some sort of version of "Bird Rule" where you could exceed the ceiling for developed guys from your system would be nice.

The  idea of an extra year of arbitration would be a big concession by the players but I don't know what the right concession back would be: high floor? arbitration after 2 years?


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« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2025, 11:48:53 am »
If there were a ceiling, some sort of version of "Bird Rule" where you could exceed the ceiling for developed guys from your system would be nice.

The  idea of an extra year of arbitration would be a big concession by the players but I don't know what the right concession back would be: high floor? arbitration after 2 years?



The bird rule works because all basketball teams can afford to spend. The pirates having Skenes’ bird rights does nothing for them

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2025, 01:06:56 pm »
The bird rule works because all basketball teams can afford to spend. The pirates having Skenes’ bird rights does nothing for them
They have money.  They just don’t want to spend.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2025, 12:57:25 am »
salary floor and making TV broadcasts more accessible would be tops on my list.

Agreed. Salary floor now! Make these cheapskate owners reward their fans who spend hard-earned money...

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2025, 06:13:28 am »
Agreed. Salary floor now! Make these cheapskate owners reward their fans who spend hard-earned money...
They'd only agree to that as part of a salary cap. And then there would have to be a much more broad revenue sharing system, which the rich owners won't agree to.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #44 on: December 16, 2025, 09:01:15 am »
They'd only agree to that as part of a salary cap. And then there would have to be a much more broad revenue sharing system, which the rich owners won't agree to.

...Looks like we're gonna start the 2027 season in July, lol.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #45 on: December 16, 2025, 12:54:16 pm »
They'd only agree to that as part of a salary cap. And then there would have to be a much more broad revenue sharing system, which the rich owners won't agree to.

Thanks to the Dodgers and a great post season overall, baseball is in relatively good shape- I trust they’ll find a way to screw it up.

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #46 on: December 17, 2025, 10:12:35 am »
I don't think baseball needs to be saved.

The problem I have is the expanded postseason. I think it was just right with the 10 team format. Extra wild card was a pressure release for teams trying to get in, while having to burn your ace in a wildcard gave a big reason to try to avoid the Wild Card. Currently? Teams have no reason to shoot for high 90 win totals. You hit 88 or 89? You're in a good spot to make it, then anything can happen with short series early. It makes the regular season less interesting.

There will never be a salary cap. I do think more can be done to force up spending for the bottom teams and to make the high spending for teams like the Dodgers even more painful. Baseball will always have large and small markets, still I think they can tighten the gap some.

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« Reply #47 on: December 17, 2025, 11:19:56 am »
I don't think baseball needs to be saved.

The problem I have is the expanded postseason. I think it was just right with the 10 team format. Extra wild card was a pressure release for teams trying to get in, while having to burn your ace in a wildcard gave a big reason to try to avoid the Wild Card. Currently? Teams have no reason to shoot for high 90 win totals. You hit 88 or 89? You're in a good spot to make it, then anything can happen with short series early. It makes the regular season less interesting.

There will never be a salary cap. I do think more can be done to force up spending for the bottom teams and to make the high spending for teams like the Dodgers even more painful. Baseball will always have large and small markets, still I think they can tighten the gap some.
There are several teams for which the fans have absolutely no hope. Mostly cause of cheap owners.  Nats are one of them.  Expanding the post season doesn’t help with that. They are gaining fans on a national basis but losing several cities.

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« Reply #48 on: December 17, 2025, 11:39:17 am »
There are several teams for which the fans have absolutely no hope. Mostly cause of cheap owners.  Nats are one of them.  Expanding the post season doesn’t help with that. They are gaining fans on a national basis but losing several cities.

A team can luck into a wildcard birth and you can hope things break your way in the playoffs. At the very least it makes more games meaningful down the stretch. It doesn’t help with teams like the nats who are perpetually competing three years from now, but it would help win some teams

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Re: What are some of the moves that can save baseball...
« Reply #49 on: December 17, 2025, 11:44:29 am »
I don't think baseball needs to be saved.

The problem I have is the expanded postseason. I think it was just right with the 10 team format. Extra wild card was a pressure release for teams trying to get in, while having to burn your ace in a wildcard gave a big reason to try to avoid the Wild Card. Currently? Teams have no reason to shoot for high 90 win totals. You hit 88 or 89? You're in a good spot to make it, then anything can happen with short series early. It makes the regular season less interesting.

There will never be a salary cap. I do think more can be done to force up spending for the bottom teams and to make the high spending for teams like the Dodgers even more painful. Baseball will always have large and small markets, still I think they can tighten the gap some.

Attendance has risen the last 3 years, and we just saw huge ratings for the WS. Baseball on the whole is doing just fine as folks want to see the super teams. For the die-hard fans of small market or cheap-owner teams, it does suck.