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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #175 on: October 30, 2025, 12:34:35 pm »
Can Ogasawara opt out?
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Players normally require three years of service time or a previous career outright to have the right to reject an outright assignment and elect free agency. A player coming over from Asia will sometimes have special language in their contract allowing them to circumvent standard MLB rules. Unless Ogasawara’s deal has such language, he’ll stick with the Nats as non-roster depth.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/10/nationals-outright-four-players.html

article also notes that Stubbs qualifies as a minor league free agent with 7  years in the minors.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #176 on: October 30, 2025, 01:08:14 pm »
Passan says teams are planning on inquiring about Gore and Abrams.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #177 on: October 30, 2025, 01:17:29 pm »
Passan says teams are planning on inquiring about Gore and Abrams.


lmfao Abrams is 25. If you're selling those guys off then realistically what are we doing here? Competing in 2030? Rebuild to the rebuild?

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #178 on: October 30, 2025, 01:18:33 pm »
Ogasawara and Stubbs cleared waivers.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #179 on: October 30, 2025, 01:27:50 pm »
lmfao Abrams is 25. If you're selling those guys off then realistically what are we doing here? Competing in 2030? Rebuild to the rebuild?
Hes 25 and he has already had run ins with the coaching staff, specifically in response to implementing analytics, and he got caught pulling an all nighter at a casino. Toboni might be cutting his losses while there is still value.


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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #180 on: October 30, 2025, 01:28:28 pm »
lmfao Abrams is 25. If you're selling those guys off then realistically what are we doing here? Competing in 2030? Rebuild to the rebuild?

Abrams has 3 more years left. Gore has 2. Unless this team is planning on contending in that window, it makes sense to trade both now. Abrams can be back-filled with Nunez until King is ready, with Willits possibly here in 2027.

Gore is harder to backfill this coming year, but in theory you'd have Susana and Sykora here in 2027.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #181 on: October 30, 2025, 01:44:59 pm »
Abrams has 3 more years left. Gore has 2. Unless this team is planning on contending in that window, it makes sense to trade both now. Abrams can be back-filled with Nunez until King is ready, with Willits possibly here in 2027.

Gore is harder to backfill this coming year, but in theory you'd have Susana and Sykora here in 2027.
Its highly unlikely you have both Sykora and Susana to be here in 2025. Sykora will be on an innings limit. Only way Susana doesn't blow out his arm next year is if hes moved to the bullpen. Neither are feature items until 2028

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #182 on: October 30, 2025, 05:27:04 pm »
I'm happy trading Abrams. Gore I'd be more concerned.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #183 on: October 30, 2025, 07:08:00 pm »
Gore is the easy one to trade. Even if hes elite, we won't be ready to compete by the time he is gone. Factor in a likely TJS and we should deal him now.

I also dont think he will achieve his true potential next year. He really seems like more s 3 than a true top of the rotation pitcher.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #184 on: October 30, 2025, 07:50:43 pm »
Gore is the easy one to trade. Even if hes elite, we won't be ready to compete by the time he is gone. Factor in a likely TJS and we should deal him now.

I also dont think he will achieve his true potential next year. He really seems like more s 3 than a true top of the rotation pitcher.
while we love his stuff and the stretches when he's on, his whole season body of work the last couple of years has been high 3s FIP / low 4s ERAs. That's not a real #2.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #185 on: October 30, 2025, 07:55:10 pm »
while we love his stuff and the stretches when he's on, his whole season body of work the last couple of years has been high 3s FIP / low 4s ERAs. That's not a real #2.
xERA data is low 4s.

Now all that could be improved with good coaching/analytics. But will it happen before Gore gets hurt or leaves for free agency?

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #186 on: October 31, 2025, 09:24:05 am »
A #3 pitcher has value. The Nats won't be competitive next season but might be in 2027 if things go right and ownership starts to spend a little. So to me the question is can you get more for Gore in a trade now than one year of a #3 pitcher.

Edit: Of course, if the timeline for being a winning team again is beyond 2027 then he of course needs to be traded. Same with Abrams.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #187 on: October 31, 2025, 09:30:49 am »
A #3 pitcher has value. The Nats won't be competitive next season but might be in 2027 if things go right and ownership starts to spend a little. So to me the question is can you get more for Gore in a trade now than one year of a #3 pitcher.

Edit: Of course, if the timeline for being a winning team again is beyond 2027 then he of course needs to be traded. Same with Abrams.

If we trade any productive major league talent because the timeline isn’t here yet, then the timeline will never be here

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #188 on: October 31, 2025, 09:35:26 am »
If we trade any productive major league talent because the timeline isn’t here yet, then the timeline will never be here

Do you think it was a mistake to trade Soto then? Or are there times where it does make sense to trade productive major league talent because of competitive window issues?

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #189 on: October 31, 2025, 09:52:29 am »
To be clear I think the team could be competitive as soon as next season if ownership actually wanted to, or they could sign Gore to an extension. I just don't think those are realistic scenarios.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #190 on: October 31, 2025, 09:56:41 am »
Do you think it was a mistake to trade Soto then? Or are there times where it does make sense to trade productive major league talent because of competitive window issues?

Yes, I do lol. We have been absolutely terrible and traded away a HOF talent to do so. Are we better off without Soto? I mean, ultimately ownership wasn't going to pay him so he would've walked regardless but we aren't a better team because of it.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #191 on: October 31, 2025, 10:52:13 am »
If we trade any productive major league talent because the timeline isn’t here yet, then the timeline will never be here
Yes, I do lol. We have been absolutely terrible and traded away a HOF talent to do so. Are we better off without Soto? I mean, ultimately ownership wasn't going to pay him so he would've walked regardless but we aren't a better team because of it.
of course, I'm in the other camp. I favor trading at least some of your chips when you are building, and that you judge a build by the talent on the field, record, and length of control.

I didn't have a problem with the idea of trading expiring assets in 2021 and 2022. I would have pushed hard to sign both Turner and Soto, and think that signing Turner would have increased the likelihood of signing Soto. I think the Turner situation was pure cheapness and there's no way a deal couldn't have been done. The Soto situation was harder and I understand the call that Soto by himself wasn't going to make the team middling with an outside  shot at the playoffs (quibble - before Henry and Cavalli were hurt, there's a case that we would have had some solid starters to go with him). Generally, the 2021 deals just flat out stunk in terms of return ("if  only Aldo Ramirez were healthy" /s), while the problem (if any) with the Soto return was that some of the assets would get to the end of team control before the rest were ready. Just because we are reaching the stage of pay  or  trade those expiring assets doesn't mean the concept of trading high on players for depth and potential future stars is a bad one.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #192 on: October 31, 2025, 11:43:36 am »
Jorge Alfaro clears waivers and elects free agency.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #193 on: October 31, 2025, 01:08:35 pm »
Jorge Alfaro clears waivers and elects free agency.
Dude was the main piece from Texas in the Cole Hamels trade.  Never came close to his fulfilling his prospect status.

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #197 on: November 03, 2025, 05:45:51 pm »
Forgot to bump this post from 10/14 back up.
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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #198 on: November 03, 2025, 09:23:04 pm »
Michael King anyone? https://www.thenatsreport.com/p/washington-nationals-2026-offseason-michael-king-free-agent-fit
Way too expensive for this ownership group.

You gotta ask, what could the Rays afford? Then reduce that by about 30%

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Re: 2025-2026 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #199 on: November 04, 2025, 10:34:57 am »
The Athletic posted its projected FA contract values (free at https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6774254/2025/11/04/mlb-free-agent-contract-projections/)

Could Kyle Tucker be our new Jayson Werth? :)