MLB Playoffs: 2025

[bluestreak]

Welp, Blue Jays will take on the Mariners to determine who gets the privilege of losing to the Dodgers

I don’t know who’s going to win Game 5, but just assuming the Mariners are going to beat Skubal seems like a bit of a stretch. 

[varoadking]

Why? Because they were both originally based in Seattle?

That's a big part of it...but I'd also like to see any team that's been close but never won before take home Manfred's hunk of metal...

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Why? Because they were both originally based in Seattle?

that's an angle, and neither has won a WS.

[imref]

Blue Jays playing an almost perfect game so far. Hitting has been clutch.

[imref]

Guessing Boone will be fired tomorrow. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Girardi reunion.

[bluestreak]

Seems like a mistake to run Kershaw out again…

Edit: It certainly was.

[bluestreak]

So stupid not locking up Turner

[imref]

Ohtani batting .174 in the playoffs so far

[Slateman]

Milwaukee / Seattle would be nice to see...likely not a big TV draw though...

Jennifer Love Hewitt naked in my bed would be nice to see, but it has about the same amount of likelihood

[Slateman]

So stupid not locking up Turner

Not really. In fact, its becoming more apparent that trading him was the right thing. Phillies are stuck with him until hes 40. He turns 33 next season. He would not have made a difference here and that contract is going to become an enormous albatross in the next season or two.

This is basically the Phillies last chance to contend.

[blue911]

Not really. In fact, its becoming more apparent that trading him was the right thing. Phillies are stuck with him until hes 40. He turns 33 next season. He would not have made a difference here and that contract is going to become an enormous albatross in the next season or two.

This is basically the Phillies last chance to contend.

More about locking him up early to not have to pay for him at  35-40 year old. And he brought toughness and accountability to the clubhouse.

[Natsinpwc]

Turner was 5.5 bWAR this year even with a lack of power.  If you had him or Soto or Harper you can attract free agent help. Team basically got nothing for him.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

So stupid not locking up Turner

More about locking him up early to not have to pay for him at  35-40 year old. And he brought toughness and accountability to the clubhouse.

cannot be said enough.

The Scherzer / Turner deal has to go down as a huge negative, especially considering the negative impact of Ruiz.

[Slateman]

More about locking him up early to not have to pay for him at  35-40 year old. And he brought toughness and accountability to the clubhouse.

It takes two to tango. So unless you were approaching him in 2015 or 2016, there was no impetus for him to sign a discount deal. And he was always going to be locked up that long.

Turner was 5.5 bWAR this year even with a lack of power.  If you had him or Soto or Harper you can attract free agent help. Team basically got nothing for him.

Ownership wasn't willing to pay for any of those guys, let alone two of them and addition free agents. There was no world in which the postWS Lerners were going to shell out money like that.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

It takes two to tango. So unless you were approaching him in 2015 or 2016, there was no impetus for him to sign a discount deal. And he was always going to be locked up that long.

Nah. Deal could have  been done after 2019 when he was 3 years from FA. Maybe 2018. 2016 would  have taken some guts but would have been on the Campbell / Anthony / Mayer /Albies level of signing. Buy out 3 years of arb and 7 years of FA, and basically you would have had him under control through 2028, which is what you have CJ under control for. 

[hotshot]

Can we hire whoever Baez went to to fix his swing?

Was it his swing mechanics, mindset/approach, or both? Same question regarding Wood.

[Slateman]

Nah. Deal could have  been done after 2019 when he was 3 years from FA. Maybe 2018. 2016 would  have taken some guts but would have been on the Campbell / Anthony / Mayer /Albies level of signing. Buy out 3 years of arb and 7 years of FA, and basically you would have had him under control through 2028, which is what you have CJ under control for. 

After 2019, he was a 250+ million dollar player and he knew it. Machado had just signed for 300 million

Turner very clearly wanted top dollar in the market. We still aren't competitive and likely won't be for three more years, at which point we have a declining 2B at 25+ million AAV. Yea, no thanks. The trade hasn't worked out, but it was obvious Turner was gone. Paying him that much money will be seen as idiotic. Hes over achieving a the plate already and declining in power and bat speed. Hes a year away from being a ~.700 OPS shortstop.

[Slateman]

Was it his swing mechanics, mindset/approach, or both? Same question regarding Wood.

No idea. Hire whoever it was. Dude has done a complete 180

[hotshot]

Guessing Boone will be fired tomorrow. Wouldn't be surprised to see a Girardi reunion.

I don't think so but, despite the SP implosion against the Jays, what manager wouldn't want to have Gerrit Cole, Max Fried, Cam Schlittler, Luis Gil, and Carlos Rodón to fashion a rotation from. Plus MVP Judge leading the offense. Volpe seems to be the player many want to give up on.

[Natsinpwc]

It takes two to tango. So unless you were approaching him in 2015 or 2016, there was no impetus for him to sign a discount deal. And he was always going to be locked up that long.
Ownership wasn't willing to pay for any of those guys, let alone two of them and addition free agents. There was no world in which the postWS Lerners were going to shell out money like that.

Sure.  But that doesn’t mean he’s not worth the price.  I mean the Phillies have Harper and Turner for just about the price of Soto.  No indication they are gonna fall off a cliff on the next year or two. 

[bluestreak]

Did we not think Turner was good back in 2016-2017? More importantly, did the front office not think there was a decent chance he would be good? That was the time to lock him up.

[Slateman]

Did we not think Turner was good back in 2016-2017? More importantly, did the front office not think there was a decent chance he would be good? That was the time to lock him up.

Did Turner want to sign here in 2016?

[Slateman]

Sure.  But that doesn’t mean he’s not worth the price.  I mean the Phillies have Harper and Turner for just about the price of Soto.  No indication they are gonna fall off a cliff on the next year or two. 

He wasn't worth the price here? Why pay a guy 30+ million to be on a 90+ loss team?

And yes, there is indicators that he is going to fall off in the next year or two. His bat speed, EVs, hard hit numbers are all declining. It is unlikely, at his age, they will improve. By the time the Nats are competitive, he'll be playing like Tim Anderson

[Natsinpwc]

He wasn't worth the price here? Why pay a guy 30+ million to be on a 90+ loss team?

And yes, there is indicators that he is going to fall off in the next year or two. His bat speed, EVs, hard hit numbers are all declining. It is unlikely, at his age, they will improve. By the time the Nats are competitive, he'll be playing like Tim Anderson

By the time the Nats are competitive we will all be dead. 

[Slateman]

By the time the Nats are competitive we will all be dead. 

No, not with Toboni. Its just going to take three to five years to build through his drafts