Project 2030

[KnorrForYourMoney]

Drafting some recent high school graduates who are...the typical age of high school graduates? Truly revolutionary stuff. Must be a sign of some really precise target date for contention.

[PowerBoater69]

Drafting some recent high school graduates who are...the typical age of high school graduates? Truly revolutionary stuff. Must be a sign of some really precise target date for contention.

This thread wasn't started after the draft, it was started after the first two trades brought in more teens, a clear and notable pattern had been established.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

This thread wasn't started after the draft, it was started after the first two trades brought in more teens, a clear and notable pattern had been established.

ETAs on other guys traded for (using FG):

Franklin, Eder, Beeter 2025
Swan, Linan, Randall, Brown 2027
Martinez not listed.

[PowerBoater69]

ETAs on other guys traded for (using FG):

Franklin, Eder, Beeter 2025
Swan, Linan, Randall, Brown 2027
Martinez not listed.

In relation to the timing of this thread, there were three teens at the top of the draft, followed by the first two trades including teens. Since then a 20 year old and the rest a little older if not necessarily high level prospects.

The sad fact remains, the team is in rough shape, 2030 might be the start of the next window unless there is some sort of jump start happening in the short term.

[IanRubbish]

In relation to the timing of this thread, there were three teens at the top of the draft, followed by the first two trades including teens. Since then a 20 year old and the rest a little older if not necessarily high level prospects.

The sad fact remains, the team is in rough shape, 2030 might be the start of the next window unless there is some sort of jump start happening in the short term.

2030 is Wood and Crews last year here, and the first year when all the Stras deferrals are done.  Could be the one year it all comes together before the rebuild from the rebuild from Rizzo's train wreck begins in '31.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

PB69: I am going to say 2028. That's beyond Gore, but Susana should be up, Clemmey, some of the others we got this deadline, plus hopefully Hertz in some role. Wood and Crews will have some team control
 Optimistically, there will be a good outfield, maybe Abrams, House. Still needs pieces, but there's a lot to build around.

[welch]

The Lerner family is aiming to compete in 2040. All these you players are meant to be traded for more prospects, who are meant to be trtaded for more...etc.

[PowerBoater69]

Not sure where to put this, but here's the link for the sell the team shirts.

https://www.teepublic.com/t-shirt/78378788-washington-nationals-sell-the-team

[SkinsNatFan21RIP]

I think the most painful thing is just how irrelevant this franchise is now. No Soto, Harper, Strasburg, Turner, Rendon, Zimm, Max etc. Just an irrelevant baseball team playing farm system for the Phillies. Sigh.

[PowerBoater69]

Mike DeBartolo has already brought in five teens via the draft and trades. When is he expecting for the Nats to be contending again?

Browm Martinez 18
Ronny Cruz 18
Landon Harmon 18
Coy James 18
Eli Willits 17

Young POBO and now the youngest manager in forever, the Nats are going to kick ass in the 2030s.

[HalfSmokes]

The Lerner family is aiming to compete in 2040. All these you players are meant to be traded for more prospects, who are meant to be trtaded for more...etc.

The year we’ll compete hasn’t changed at all, it’s always Current Year + 5

[JCA-CrystalCity]

They year we’ll compete hadn’t changed at all, it’s always Current Year + 5

It's like the answer to the question "how many bikes do you need?" The answer is n+1, where n is the number of bikes you have currently.

That said, I think the Butera hire fits well with the youth of the current roster. While the teenage pick ups are probably for  after the current roster turns over, the current roster is more in need of development. The idea we've  seen the best of Crews et al would be pretty disheartening.

[PowerBoater69]

Straight from Toboni:

It will certainly take time, measured in years.

[Slateman]

The Lerner family is aiming to compete in 2040. All these you players are meant to be traded for more prospects, who are meant to be trtaded for more...etc.

Compete for what?

[PowerBoater69]

Looks like the Nats are working on project 2027, both Toboni and Butera mentioned 2027 today as when the team expects to improve. Maybe 2027 for wild card contention and 2030 for World Series contention.

[Slateman]

Looks like the Nats are working on project 2027, both Toboni and Butera mentioned 2027 today as when the team expects to improve. Maybe 2027 for wild card contention and 2030 for World Series contention.

 

[PowerBoater69]

There seems to be a rush to trade Gore (and maybe Abrams) now and not at the trade deadline. I was wondering why, since we could likely get a better return from a contending team that was down a pitcher. But then I was seeing all the mentions of the top draft pick we didn't get this year. Is the Toboni Plan to tank one more year before kick-starting the rebuild in 2027?

[Slateman]

There seems to be a rush to trade Gore (and maybe Abrams) now and not at the trade deadline. I was wondering why, since we could likely get a better return from a contending team that was down a pitcher. But then I was seeing all the mentions of the top draft pick we didn't get this year. Is the Toboni Plan to tank one more year before kick-starting the rebuild in 2027?

Gore is going to be 27 years old, has 532 MLB innings, and averages 95 mph on his fastball. It's not if his elbow blows, but when. If it blows after May, the Nats will get nothing because he will miss pretty much all of 2027, and then will be off to free agency. Couple that with an unknown future for 2027 and his value will not be much higher at the deadline and could be considerably lower.

[PowerBoater69]

I see the centerpiece of the Gore trade is 18. We're about to have ten teenagers in our top 30 prospect list.

Gavin Fien (#2 Rangers Prospect)

1   Eli Willits
8   Landon Harmon
11   Coy James
14   Angel Feliz
16   Miguel Sime Jr.
17   Ronny Cruz
24   Brayan Cortesia
25   Daniel Hernandez
28   Marconi German

[NatsLSU]

Woo hoo! Another 5 years of 90 plus loss seasons. Nats park is going to be a morgue.

[PowerBoater69]

Woo hoo! Another 5 years of 90 plus loss seasons. Nats park is going to be a morgue.

Cheap tickets, short lines, light traffic, sign me up.

[English Natsie]

I visited my local library and asked if they had a copy of the Nationals Five Year Plan. I was directed to the shelf marked 'Fairy Tales'...

[raleighnat]

Looks like the Nats are working on project 2027, both Toboni and Butera mentioned 2027 today as when the team expects to improve. Maybe 2027 for wild card contention and 2030 for World Series contention.

It’s not Toboni that put us in this miserable position.  We were years away when he arrived.  He’s just honestly assessing what is a last place team with a middling farm.  State of the franchise is all on Rizzo for player development and Lerners for not spending enough to make the team decent.  But nowhere was it in the cards that this team was a serious contender for several years out.  Doesn’t mean we can’t spend money to avoid being just absolutely horrible in the interim though. 

[PowerBoater69]

Federal Baseball has the date and the architect wrong. It's 2030, and DeBartolo kicked it off before Toboni was hired.

https://www.federalbaseball.com/general/88564/paul-toboni-washington-nationals-embarking-project-2028

[varoadking]

Federal Baseball has the date and the architect wrong. It's 2030, and DeBartolo kicked it off before Toboni was hired.

https://www.federalbaseball.com/general/88564/paul-toboni-washington-nationals-embarking-project-2028

When 2028 hits, the Nats should be ready to strike.

   I want some of what Sam is smokin'...