Fire Miguel Cairo!

[Smithian]

I don't know how much of this can be blamed on Cairo.

I will say I now further support the decision to fire Rizzo. It obviously had gone to hell behind the scenes. This is terrible. You don't have to win to show some quality. Jim Riggleman had a losing record in 2009 and I think anyone watching the games could see things were much better. This is just terrible.

[imref]

I think we needed a different perspective rather than a Davey clone. But I assume the timing of the Davey firing was driven by the need to make an option decision in July.

[Slateman]

I want him and the senior coaching staff gone for exactly the same reason Cairo and Gore said. We keep trying the same thing.

Players aren't coming into the game mentally ready, particularly day games. They aren't adjusting to anything. If it doesn't work the first go around, they have no idea what to do next.

Get new blood in here. Even if its from Triple A. Bring in Zim to be an assistant hitting coach. Try anything. If nothing else, see who is willing/able to be coached. You have offseason decisions to make, use this time to evaluate.

[imref]

House sitting tonight. Have we had a game yet in which Lile, House, Crews, and Hassell all started?

Tonight's lineup:
Wood
Abrams
Bell (1B)
Garcia Jr.
DeJong (3B)
Lile (DH)
Crews
Millas
Hassell III
Lord

[varoadking]

House sitting tonight. Have we had a game yet in which Lile, House, Crews, and Hassell all started?

Well Crews has only played 50 games, and House, Lile and Hassel have only been up for 5 of those IIRC, so odds are pretty slim...

[Smithian]

House sitting tonight. Have we had a game yet in which Lile, House, Crews, and Hassell all started?

Tonight's lineup:
Wood
Abrams
Bell (1B)
Garcia Jr.
DeJong (3B)
Lile (DH)
Crews
Millas
Hassell III
Lord

A winning lineup, just the way skip drew it up

[nobleisthyname]

Miguel Cairo really does not like Brady House.

[Slateman]

Fire this freakstick.

He got asked about this in the post-game interview and basically said that hes starting PDJ because he wants to win.

We are so past that point. House, Lile, Crews, and Hassell all need to play every day. Chapparo needs to get significant playing time. We are developing and evaluating, not competing. This isn't the Miguel Cairo show and its selfish for him to make it about himself.

[varoadking]

Fire this freakstick.

He got asked about this in the post-game interview and basically said that hes starting PDJ because he wants to win.

We are so past that point. House, Lile, Crews, and Hassell all need to play every day. Chapparo needs to get significant playing time. We are developing and evaluating, not competing. This isn't the Miguel Cairo show and its selfish for him to make it about himself.

Marky probably told him to win to keep the "Sell the Team" shirt sales to a minimum...

[imref]

Fire this freakstick.

He got asked about this in the post-game interview and basically said that hes starting PDJ because he wants to win.

We are so past that point. House, Lile, Crews, and Hassell all need to play every day. Chapparo needs to get significant playing time. We are developing and evaluating, not competing. This isn't the Miguel Cairo show and its selfish for him to make it about himself.

[Smithian]

Fire this freakstick.

He got asked about this in the post-game interview and basically said that hes starting PDJ because he wants to win.

We are so past that point. House, Lile, Crews, and Hassell all need to play every day. Chapparo needs to get significant playing time. We are developing and evaluating, not competing. This isn't the Miguel Cairo show and its selfish for him to make it about himself.

Lile, Hassell, and Crews all played last night. They just cut Lowe.

Maybe DeJong is playing because he's raking and House is struggling? It's doesn't make House better to march him out there day to day when he is scuffling. It isn't automatic that play every day = better. Also, DeJong could be retained. He's not 35 and nearing retirement. At this point he looks like a smart resigning for next season.

The Nationals right now are playing the youngest roster in baseball. I can't get upset because at one single position Cairo played a guy who is OPSing darn near 1.000 his last 15 games and is a good glove.

[Slateman]

Lile, Hassell, and Crews all played last night. They just cut Lowe.

Maybe DeJong is playing because he's raking and House is struggling? It's doesn't make House better to march him out there day to day when he is scuffling. It isn't automatic that play every day = better. Also, DeJong could be retained. He's not 35 and nearing retirement. At this point he looks like a smart resigning for next season.

The Nationals right now are playing the youngest roster in baseball. I can't get upset because at one single position Cairo played a guy who is OPSing darn near 1.000 his last 15 games and is a good glove.

Young has started 7 games in the last four series. That's completely unacceptable. Those are at bats that are taking away from Lile and Hassell.

It does not matter if DeJong is raking. He is not a future part of this team in any real capacity. House is struggling? Then either send him down, or get him experience at the MLB level to work through his struggles. There is NOTHING this coaching staff is going to do that will fix him. He simply needs to get experience. Sitting on the bench will not accomplish that. If PDJ is retained, it will be because he didn't get any other options. But if you really want his bat in the lineup because he's hot, how about starting with the guy at second who after 2,193 plate appearances has a .703 OPS and is one of the worst fielding second basemen in baseball? How about we don't sit one of the cornerstones of this team's future, to start a 32 year old back up infielder?

Its more than that too. Its the way Cairo has managed the bullpen. He is playing every game like it's a playoff game. He has admitted that he is focused on winning each game. Which wouldn't have been a problem on June 3rd, but here in August, when you've been eliminated from the playoffs, its a huge impediment to improving for the future. Cairo has made this about him rather than the organization. That simply shouldn't stand.

Honestly, not immediately blowing out Hickey, Coles, Guitteriez, and Cairo made firing Martinez and Rizzo a complete wash. We're now going to spend three months doing absolutely nothing to improve the franchise's near-term future.

[Smithian]

Young has started 7 games in the last four series. That's completely unacceptable. Those are at bats that are taking away from Lile and Hassell.

It does not matter if DeJong is raking. He is not a future part of this team in any real capacity. House is struggling? Then either send him down, or get him experience at the MLB level to work through his struggles. There is NOTHING this coaching staff is going to do that will fix him. He simply needs to get experience. Sitting on the bench will not accomplish that. If PDJ is retained, it will be because he didn't get any other options. But if you really want his bat in the lineup because he's hot, how about starting with the guy at second who after 2,193 plate appearances has a .703 OPS and is one of the worst fielding second basemen in baseball? How about we don't sit one of the cornerstones of this team's future, to start a 32 year old back up infielder?

Its more than that too. Its the way Cairo has managed the bullpen. He is playing every game like it's a playoff game. He has admitted that he is focused on winning each game. Which wouldn't have been a problem on June 3rd, but here in August, when you've been eliminated from the playoffs, its a huge impediment to improving for the future. Cairo has made this about him rather than the organization. That simply shouldn't stand.

Honestly, not immediately blowing out Hickey, Coles, Guitteriez, and Cairo made firing Martinez and Rizzo a complete wash. We're now going to spend three months doing absolutely nothing to improve the franchise's near-term future.

Jacob Young is 26 years old, years away from arbitration, and is a a year off a 2.7 fWAR season. Trying to get him back going is not a wasted at bat. You can disagree and think Hassell and Lile are more valuable, but Young at bars are pretty easy to excuse if not actually encourage.

On DeJong, I personally would prefer starting House over Garcia. I agree with that. But this isn't a subject I feel strong enough to call Cairo a ****stick over.

In the bullpen, what do you want him to do? He's pitching guys in different roles. No one in that pen has owned a role.

I would have fired Hickey and Coles. No argument there.

[Slateman]

Jacob Young is 26 years old, years away from arbitration, and is a a year off a 2.7 fWAR season. Trying to get him back going is not a wasted at bat. You can disagree and think Hassell and Lile are more valuable, but Young at bars are pretty easy to excuse if not actually encourage.

On DeJong, I personally would prefer starting House over Garcia. I agree with that. But this isn't a subject I feel strong enough to call Cairo a ****stick over.

In the bullpen, what do you want him to do? He's pitching guys in different roles. No one in that pen has owned a role.

I would have fired Hickey and Coles. No argument there.

Yea, Young is simply not good. His entire value is defensive, and you can easily find players to replace him at his current sub .600 OPS. He has no business being on the MLB roster, and certainly no business taking at bats away from potential future starters. At his absolute best, Young maybe hits well enough against lefties to be a platoon. But he's really a defensive replacement.

I want Cairo to stop managing every game like its do or die and start working on preserving and preparing for the future. Pilkington is already being overworked. Ogasawara, Ferrer, and Poulin are on their way. Stop pulling Parker and Irvin on low pitch counts, and just let them eat innings.

Cairo needs to put the organization first, not his own ego.

[blue911]

Fire this freakstick.

He got asked about this in the post-game interview and basically said that hes starting PDJ because he wants to win.

We are so past that point. House, Lile, Crews, and Hassell all need to play every day. Chapparo needs to get significant playing time. We are developing and evaluating, not competing. This isn't the Miguel Cairo show and its selfish for him to make it about himself.

Which begs the question: How is DeBartolo evaluating our off-season needs?

[Slateman]

Which begs the question: How is DeBartolo evaluating our off-season needs?

Better question: Is DeBartolo even qualified to evaluate our team needs? Probably a question for another thread

[welch]

Cairo has done OK except for putting Young in CF so often. Hassell should play nearly all the time, and so should Lile, who hits. The team is desperate for hitting.

DeJong looks like a good utility guy, a backup for next year. Something about Garcia just says, "No". Maybe 2B is the place the Nats should sign a tough-minded vet this offseason...if the Lerners allow the GM to sign anyone. (Ha! That would be a shock. Reality: look up a couple veteran 2Bs. None at Lerner-price)

On pitching, Cairo should protect the bullpen. Force Parker and Irvin to throw 110 pitches every start. Parker gives up 10 runs by the third? So what? The world laughed at Paul Richards when he restricted Milt Pappas, and other kids, to 100 pitches per start. Irvin and Parker can manage 110. Any of the relievers, even Rutledge, are worth more.

[IanRubbish]

Better question: Is DeBartolo even qualified to evaluate our team needs? Probably a question for another thread

He is.  He's shifted direction with all the patient hitters he's drafted and traded for, very encouraging signs there.  Issue is how much can he fix the dysfunctional culture.  I think just having coaches who have some skill besides being personal friends with the manager will help, as will losing Tyrannosaurus Rizzo's never ending search for baseball romance through big arms and fast legs.   I think Mike D. along with an actual manager and coaches could be interesting, but he has to convince Mini Me to invest in technology and good coaches, which might be possible with the savings from no longer putting tens of millions a year into mediocre rentals.

[Kevrock]

Better question: Is DeBartolo even qualified to evaluate our team needs? Probably a question for another thread

He’s an assistant GM from a failed regime and was in charge of one of the front office divisions that got Rizzo the most heat, analytics. The Nats should launch a nationwide search and target candidates from front offices that have succeeded.

Could he work out? Sure. Is he qualified? Questionable. Are there better candidates out there? 1000%

[IanRubbish]

He’s an assistant GM from a failed regime and was in charge of one of the front office divisions that got Rizzo the most heat, analytics. The Nats should launch a nationwide search and target candidates from front offices that have succeeded.

You can't blame him for Rizzo not knowing how to use a computer, or for ownership not wanting to pay for one.

[tomterp]

He’s an assistant GM from a failed regime and was in charge of one of the front office divisions that got Rizzo the most heat, analytics. The Nats should launch a nationwide search and target candidates from front offices that have succeeded.

Could he work out? Sure. Is he qualified? Questionable. Are there better candidates out there? 1000%

All true, but my BS sensors were always going off when Rizzo would talk about using more analytics etc.  Reading between the lines now, DeBartolo seems liberated and not shy about pursuing a different path, and in my view the correct one.  Are there better candidates out there?  Likely, but among the many how do you know which ones?  If you have 30 candidates, how do you know which ones are better? 

So far I like his work and would be good with keeping him on, but the Lerners REALLY need to step up and support whoever GM is with the back office and player development systems needed to compete in 2026 and beyond. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Hmmmm.... Cairo rewarding Adams for his hot 2d half by hitting him 4th tonight.

[Smithian]

Hmmmm.... Cairo rewarding Adams for his hot 2d half by hitting him 4th tonight.

Weird how rotating catchers instead of riding one guy into the ground has been successful.

[Smithian]

Hmmmm.... Cairo rewarding Adams for his hot 2d half by hitting him 4th tonight.

Weird how rotating catchers instead of riding one guy into the ground has been successful.

….Extend Cairo!

[Smithian]

If he fired Cole and Hickey and started fresh, I’d take Cairo back. I like his interviews. He seems to the point. I know he and Martinez are close, but they’re clearly different people and different voices.