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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #100 on: September 11, 2025, 08:25:38 am »
For all the talk about his lack of power, he has the 3rd highest slugging percentage on the team and is 5th in doubles and 1st in triples. Granted, this is a team that sucks at power, but he's still getting extra base hits they're just not leaving the park. You can be a respectable lineup presence as a doubles/triples hitter.

crazy how the power hasn't worked. Going into the season there was hope that abrams, wood, garcia, lowe, bell, dejong, and maybe even ruiz would all crack the 20-HR mark.

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« Reply #101 on: September 11, 2025, 08:46:10 am »
For all the talk about his lack of power, he has the 3rd highest slugging percentage on the team and is 5th in doubles and 1st in triples. Granted, this is a team that sucks at power, but he's still getting extra base hits they're just not leaving the park. You can be a respectable lineup presence as a doubles/triples hitter.

For a full season he's on pace for 10-15 HR, and he's not yet 23 years old.  He'll pick up some strength so easy to see him at 20+ in a year or two, but at risk of being slower around the bases.  On the other hand Young bulked up, and it didn't seem to add any power but it did slow him down.

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« Reply #102 on: September 11, 2025, 09:08:35 am »
For a full season he's on pace for 10-15 HR, and he's not yet 23 years old.  He'll pick up some strength so easy to see him at 20+ in a year or two, but at risk of being slower around the bases.  On the other hand Young bulked up, and it didn't seem to add any power but it did slow him down.

Bulking up adds unsprung weight without an increase in torque.

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« Reply #103 on: September 11, 2025, 09:12:08 am »
Bulking up adds unsprung weight without an increase in torque.

It's that fast twitch vs slow twitch thing, right?  Explosive movement.  I have a cousin who in his prime was as strong as an ox, but he couldn't hit a golf ball 200 yards.  Guessing he was all about the slow twitch.

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #104 on: September 11, 2025, 10:04:07 am »
He elevates the ball. Doesn't hit as hard as Wood, CREWS, or House but he consistently gets the ball in the air. Also, Wood is quoted in the article as making the Brantley comparison. Got to remember that Brantley really didn't become Brantley for a few years.

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« Reply #105 on: September 11, 2025, 10:53:45 pm »
crazy how the power hasn't worked. Going into the season there was hope that abrams, wood, garcia, lowe, bell, dejong, and maybe even ruiz would all crack the 20-HR mark.

DeJong.  🤣

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« Reply #106 on: September 11, 2025, 11:49:39 pm »

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« Reply #107 on: September 15, 2025, 09:17:20 pm »
after today's HR he leads all rookies with at least 300 PAs with a .811 OPS

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« Reply #108 on: September 15, 2025, 09:48:40 pm »
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« Reply #109 on: September 17, 2025, 10:54:43 am »
Fantastic season but I don't see him cracking the top-3 in NL ROTY voting unfortunately given the seasons Cade Horton, Drake Baldwin, and the Brewers' rookies are all having.

Not that that matters for anything but it's been coming up a few times on Nats Chat and I just don't see it happening.

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« Reply #110 on: September 20, 2025, 10:23:53 am »
Triple last night. That was the best the Nats managed...

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #111 on: September 20, 2025, 11:01:26 am »
His 27 at bats per triple is the lowest since 2000.

He tied D-Spann for most triples in a Nats season in 1/2 the PAs.

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« Reply #112 on: September 20, 2025, 08:49:25 pm »
And now the game-winning inside-the-park homer!

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« Reply #113 on: September 20, 2025, 10:03:38 pm »
Has been a shining star in a disaster of a season.

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« Reply #114 on: September 20, 2025, 10:13:30 pm »
https://bsky.app/profile/slangsonsports.bsky.social/post/3lzclpfqjlk2x

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7+ triples and 4+ home runs in a calendar month, last 85 years:

2025 Sept Daylen Lile
1963 June Vada Pinson
1957 June Willie Mays
1942 July Enos Slaughter

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #115 on: September 20, 2025, 10:58:59 pm »
Interesting how there seems to have been the least amount of fanfare upon his arrival among the rookies this year...but he has outshined the others by far. 

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #116 on: September 21, 2025, 11:03:11 am »
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Daylen Lile (who hit an 11th-inning inside-the park home run yesterday) has 331 plate appearances and 11 triples. St. Louis Cardinals batters have combined for 5,811 plate appearances and eight triples.
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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #117 on: September 21, 2025, 06:01:08 pm »
Lile: .288 AVG, 14 2B, 11 3B, 7 HR, 35 RBI, 8 SB, .814 OPS

OPS is higher than Wood.

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #118 on: September 21, 2025, 06:08:06 pm »
One day we will look back on September 2025 as Lilemania.

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« Reply #119 on: September 22, 2025, 10:28:16 am »
I have not been this pleasantly surprised by a rookie in a long, long time

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #120 on: September 24, 2025, 10:52:36 am »
https://blogs.fangraphs.com/daylen-lile-washingtons-silver-lining/

Ben Clemens gives him  the :az: discussing how in a dismal season Lile looks like he may be part of the next core here.

There's a long discussion of Lile's ability to hit line drives to all fields and to get pull and loft on the pitches he can crush. What Clemens is gaga about is how intentional Lile is in this approach. His line drives are hard hit and he hits a lot of him. Closer to Freddie Freeman than Luis Arraez or Steven Kwan. He doesn't have Freeman's power, but he is doing a lot  of damage on his  liners. He has terrific plate discipline and contact rates, avoiding the Keibert trap good contact guys fall into of swinging at a lot of crap.

As for his defense and base stealing, Clemens acknowledges they have been bad, but he points out that he's not had a ton of minor league innings in the outfield due to missing 2022. He expects both skills to improve with experience.

After noting that 1 fWAR and a 125 wRC+ in a half season aren't blow away numbers, he concludes with his view these numbers shouldn't be the focus:

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Lile’s chief skill, the ability to put bat to ball at great frequency while still lifting and pulling when he gets a pitch to drive, is one of the most valuable skills in all of baseball. It can’t be taught, and even many of the people who have it don’t use it to its fullest extent. Lile’s approach at the plate is sophisticated beyond his years, and the fact that he makes so much contact means that there’s no silver bullet way to counter him. He’s above average against fastballs, breaking balls, and offspeed pitches. He hits high velocity just fine. His strikeout rate isn’t low because pitchers are still figuring out a plan of attack; it’s low because he puts the ball in play a lot and doesn’t chase too much.

The rest of the stuff around his game? The bad routes in right field, the times caught stealing? Those are a lot easier to change. The odds that Lile is as bad defensively in 2026 as he is in 2025 are virtually zero. The odds that he doesn’t get a little better at picking his spots to steal are likewise tiny. These are skills of experience, skills that everyone gets better at with more seasoning, and Lile just hasn’t had enough of that, by quirk of draft year and injury history.

So ignore WAR, at least in this one instance. It’s misleading you. Daylen Lile is one of the most intriguing debuts of the 2025 season, with a throwback skill set that nonetheless works well in the modern game. His warts might cost him plenty of value in the present day, but that value is ephemeral. Next year, Lile could be basically the same player he is this year, and yet post a much better overall line. It would almost be surprising if he doesn’t, in fact. Hitters this pure don’t come around all that often, and I’m wildly impressed by how Lile has lived the line drive lifestyle without falling into the various traps that stop other hitters from making it in the big leagues by leaning primarily on their bat-to-ball skills.

Would be a ballsy move, but if you buy this, then he may be the best early extension candidate we've had in while.

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #121 on: September 24, 2025, 12:15:30 pm »
Young player that is a poor defender, coming off an improving second half at the plate being offered a contract extension? I've seen this once before . . .

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #122 on: September 24, 2025, 02:34:49 pm »
I’d offer him the Keibert deal right now in a heartbeat

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #123 on: September 24, 2025, 05:35:07 pm »
Interesting comment on the FG Lile article. Slate's kicked around the idea of Lile-Crews-Wood outfield. Some commenters say the corner D might be brutal, especially if Abrams is at SS. Another commenter suggests CJ to center and one of Wood or Lile could be 1B or DH. I think getting CJ off SS and Crews in a corner in place of Wood/Lile may improve the overall D more than would be lost by the drop off Hassell / Young or Crews in CF.

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Re: Day-0 - The Arrival of Daylen Lile
« Reply #124 on: September 24, 2025, 06:28:08 pm »
Interesting comment on the FG Lile article. Slate's kicked around the idea of Lile-Crews-Wood outfield. Some commenters say the corner D might be brutal, especially if Abrams is at SS. Another commenter suggests CJ to center and one of Wood or Lile could be 1B or DH. I think getting CJ off SS and Crews in a corner in place of Wood/Lile may improve the overall D more than would be lost by the drop off Hassell / Young or Crews in CF.
I dont think Wood would be a decent 1B. He just seems ... slow is not the right word. But doesn't seem to play fast twitch enough to be a decent 1B

Lile is 5'11". That's doable at first but not ideal. And he has never played there.