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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2025, 04:52:47 pm »
Lot's to nitpick.

Definitely the big helping of Ramos over the small plates of Studzuki. If we are talking small plates, then Yan Gomes's 2 seasons were > Brian Schneider.

As for 1st base, can't argue with Zim, but I'd think Nick Johnson deserves honorable mention. Rochey had some good years here, but Nick was the best hitter this team has ever seen who didn't eventually sign a $300 million+ contract.

Did Howie play enough 2d to be considered there?

It's cute how he shuffled Harper to CF to make room for the 3 best outfielder (Soto, Harper, and Werth), but Soto was primarily a RF after his rookie year and Harper played only partial seasons in CF. DSpann > Taylor.

As for DH, what's it say  when our best DH (Dunn) hardly played the position? Again, that would be a slot for howie

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2025, 06:58:50 pm »
Corbin Honorable Mention...  :hysterical:

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2025, 07:30:42 pm »
Corbin Honorable Mention...  :hysterical:
John Lannan was the 2d best lefty by record. Corbin only figures if you think 2019 regular season and one 3 inning relief appearance outways the rest of his results

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2025, 05:59:02 pm »
Putting Storen as the runner-up for closer  :shock:
Actually glad Dunn and Wilingham got recognition. Those guys made some of those early losing seasons more tolerable and even fun and exciting on occasion. As bad as 2009 was record wise, that 3-4-5 of Zim/Dunn/Wilingham was pretty epic. Easily the best worst season ever.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2025, 06:09:35 pm »
To me, Zimmerman is a third baseman. I know they can’t do that because it bumps Rendon off the list. I’d put Soriano at second over Murphy and I’d have Lannan and Clippard as honorable mentions

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2025, 08:24:45 am »
Ramos > Suzuki

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2025, 02:56:35 pm »
Ramos > Suzuki
Suzuki probably the least justified selection.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2025, 03:03:59 pm »
What does WAR say? I have a hard time believing anyone else over Ramos at catcher. Then again, who has worse luck than Wilson Ramos? I saw him tear an ACL on live TV twice and then there was also that offseason where he was literally kidnapped and held for ransom.

What positions are not on here? For set-up man I like Clippard over Stammen. What about utility infielder and 4th outfielder? Which shark-related gimmick do we like: fans dressing up as sharks for Roger Bernadina or Gerardo Parra and the Baby Shark craze of 2019? Teddy or Screech?

If we're doing a full pitching staff with 5 starters and 8 relievers, these are the names I feel we MUST have:

SP: Max Scherzer
SP: Stephen Strasburg
SP: Jordan Zimmermann
SP:
SP:

Closer: Sean Doolittle
RP: Tyler Clippard
RP: Chad Cordero
RP:
RP:
RP:
RP:
RP:
RP:

Everything/everyone else is negotiable. Gio only really had one good season. Drew Storen was actually good except for, you know.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #9 on: February 03, 2025, 03:33:36 pm »
OK, I looked up franchise leaders by bWAR

Hitters:

1. Ryan Zimmerman
2. Anthony Rendon
3. Bryce Harper
4. Trea Turner
5. Juan Soto
6. Ian Desmond
7. Nick Johnson
8. Wilson Ramos
9. Danny Espinosa (!)
10. Jayson Werth
11. Denard Span
12. Daniel Murphy
13. Adam LaRoche
14. CJ Abrams, Brian Schneider (tie)
15. Lane Thomas

If I'm remembering everybody's position, that translates to:

C - Wilson Ramos
1B - Ryan Zimmerman
2B - Danny Espinosa (?!)
3B - Anthony Rendon
SS - Trea Turner
OF - Bryce Harper
OF - Juan Soto
OF - Jayson Werth
DH - Ian Desmond (highest-ranked hitter not already on the team)

Here is where we remember that WAR is a counting stat and that somebody who had many many mediocre seasons like Danny Espinosa can leapfrog somebody who had a small number of MVP candidate seasons like Dan Murphy.

By WAR, here are the top pitchers

1. Max Scherzer
2. Stephen Strasburg
3. Gio Gonzalez
4. Jordan Zimmermann
5. Livan Hernandez (includes Montreal WAR)
6. Tanner Roark (!)
7. Tyler Clippard
8. John Lannan
9. Chad Cordero
10. Drew Storen
11. Sean Doolittle
12. Doug Fister, Joe Ross (tied)

Some absolutely bizarre results.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #10 on: February 03, 2025, 03:53:05 pm »
I'd clear space for Nick Johnson by using RZ at DH. I'd also guess Span had a better WAR/year than Werth and go Soto span harper for an OF, and Murphy over Espinosa.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #11 on: February 03, 2025, 04:20:05 pm »
What does WAR say? I have a hard time believing anyone else over Ramos at catcher. Then again, who has worse luck than Wilson Ramos? I saw him tear an ACL on live TV twice and then there was also that offseason where he was literally kidnapped and held for ransom.

Tied up, taken away, and held for ransom. And yet he wasn't a refugee. :)


What positions are not on here? For set-up man I like Clippard over Stammen. What about utility infielder and 4th outfielder? Which shark-related gimmick do we like: fans dressing up as sharks for Roger Bernadina or Gerardo Parra and the Baby Shark craze of 2019? Teddy or Screech?

If we're doing a full pitching staff with 5 starters and 8 relievers, these are the names I feel we MUST have:

SP: Max Scherzer
SP: Stephen Strasburg
SP: Jordan Zimmermann
SP:
SP:

Closer: Sean Doolittle
RP: Tyler Clippard
RP: Chad Cordero
RP:
RP:
RP:
RP:
RP:
RP:

Everything/everyone else is negotiable. Gio only really had one good season. Drew Storen was actually good except for, you know.

Gio has to be on the SP list. Storen on the reliever list along with Finnegan.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #12 on: February 04, 2025, 04:57:00 pm »
Lots of interesting discussion here, and I could come out various ways.  The only really obvious, unarguable miss on Ladson's list is Suzuki over Ramos.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #13 on: February 04, 2025, 05:15:54 pm »
i'd add Livan to the starter list. That's easily the five most important starters IMHO.

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Re: All Nats Team
« Reply #14 on: February 04, 2025, 05:29:02 pm »
i'd add Livan to the starter list. That's easily the five most important starters IMHO.
actually, the Livo / Lannan / Roark piece as the 5th starter may deserve discussion. It's still probably Livo just off 2005, but Roark was a big piece of quite a few good teams, especially 2014 and 2016 but really 2013-2018.

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« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2025, 06:21:50 pm »
actually, the Livo / Lannan / Roark piece as the 5th starter may deserve discussion. It's still probably Livo just off 2005, but Roark was a big piece of quite a few good teams, especially 2014 and 2016 but really 2013-2018.

After starters like Bergman, Lannan was not terrible. In those days, that was a huge improvement