Author Topic: 2025 Off-season - general thread (Read 84337 times)

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #975 on:** January 25, 2025, 11:25:30 am »

Quote from: imref on January 24, 2025, 09:04:37 pm

Talknats:

I think he counts Lowe in that spending. Ok.

It's not how many $ from their baseline after 2024 they've committed to this offseason. Rather, it's their active payroll relative to the market and MLB. Without payments to guys not active in the organization (Stras, Corbin referrals, Gallo's buyout ...), We're 29th by Ian"'s calculation when our market is good enough to be revenue sharing payers.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #976 on:** January 25, 2025, 12:56:13 pm »

Quote from: varoadking on January 25, 2025, 06:06:58 am

Isn't that just a bit more than what they shed with the Corbin contract?

TalkNats' math is wrong. He has Corbin at $23.3 million, which is 140 million divided by 6 years. However, he actually made $35 million last year, $25 million + $10 million deferred to this year.

So if you take the $35 million number plus another $15 million for Gallo, Lane Thomas, and Kyle Finnegan, that's $50 million right there off the books.

Even with the $25 million number, active payroll is down from $60.3 million to $50.6 million, which even with Ogasawara leaves them 29th.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2025/sort/cap_active

varoadking · « **Reply #977 on:** January 25, 2025, 01:21:27 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on January 25, 2025, 12:56:13 pm

TalkNats' math is wrong. He has Corbin at $23.3 million, which is 140 million divided by 6 years. However, he actually made $35 million last year, $25 million + $10 million deferred to this year.

So if you take the $35 million number plus another $15 million for Gallo, Lane Thomas, and Kyle Finnegan, that's $50 million right there off the books.

Even with the $25 million number, active payroll is down from $60.3 million to $50.6 million, which even with Ogasawara leaves them 29th.

https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/_/year/2025/sort/cap_active

Yeah...I sensed some fuzzy math there...thanks...

nobleisthyname · « **Reply #978 on:** January 25, 2025, 02:16:53 pm »

Quote from: imref on January 24, 2025, 04:12:24 pm

Whoa! We’re #5!

https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/43520980/mlb-2024-25-olney-five-most-improved-teams-2025-reds-rangers-red-sox-diamondbacks-nationals

Not sure how the Dodgers aren't #1 on this list. There's no way we've added more talent to the roster than they have.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #979 on:** January 25, 2025, 03:16:17 pm »

Quote from: nobleisthyname on January 25, 2025, 02:16:53 pm

Not sure how the Dodgers aren't #1 on this list. There's no way we've added more talent to the roster than they have.

No one left at espn who even likes baseball

imref · « **Reply #980 on:** January 25, 2025, 06:57:59 pm »

Dodgers percentage of improvement is small given the baseline.

nobleisthyname · « **Reply #981 on:** January 25, 2025, 06:59:52 pm »

Quote from: imref on January 25, 2025, 06:57:59 pm

Dodgers percentage of improvement is small given the baseline.

White Sox should be #1 then.

tomwvr · « **Reply #982 on:** January 26, 2025, 08:25:22 pm »

so soto is making 45 million and our entire payroll is 50 million.....

imref · « **Reply #983 on:** January 28, 2025, 09:55:02 pm »

Wood and Herz:
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-breakout-candidates-who-could-build-on-small-sample-success-in-2025

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #984 on:** January 29, 2025, 09:01:18 am »

Quote from: imref on January 28, 2025, 09:55:02 pm

Wood and Herz:
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-breakout-candidates-who-could-build-on-small-sample-success-in-2025

Quote

Although his ERA+ was below average at 97, some of his other performance indicators were far stronger, including a 3.26 expected ERA, a 3.77 SIERA, a 3.71 FIP and a 27.7% strikeout rate. Herz’s four-seam fastball was particularly impressive, generating a +9 run value with the third-highest whiff rate (30.5%) among starting pitchers (min. 300 swings on four-seamers) behind Ryan Pepiot and Garrett Crochet.

imref · « **Reply #985 on:** January 29, 2025, 03:11:50 pm »

Nationals have released Joe La Sorsa

IdahoNat · « **Reply #986 on:** January 29, 2025, 08:07:52 pm »

Corbin still available depending on how deep they want to sift through the ~~garbage~~ bargain bin.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #987 on:** January 30, 2025, 08:10:59 pm »

Wood #98 on MLB top 100. Only Nat.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #988 on:** January 30, 2025, 08:39:50 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 30, 2025, 08:10:59 pm

Wood #98 on MLB top 100. Only Nat.

Farm is remarkably thin for a team that’s had five straight losing seasons.

varoadking · « **Reply #989 on:** January 30, 2025, 08:41:55 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on January 30, 2025, 08:39:50 pm

Farm is remarkably thin for a team that’s had five straight losing seasons.

So is the 26 man roster...

IanRubbish · « **Reply #990 on:** January 30, 2025, 09:09:45 pm »

First the Strasburg debacle, now they won’t even bring Max back for one year, $15 million. The Lerner passion for pennies exceeds the common sense or pride any normal person would have.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #991 on:** January 30, 2025, 10:00:38 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on January 30, 2025, 08:39:50 pm

Farm is remarkably thin for a team that’s had five straight losing seasons.

They promoted 2 starters and 3 outfieders, 2 studs. The system is a bit thin due to promotions. That was KLaw's point when he ranked the system 17th

English Natsie · « **Reply #992 on:** January 31, 2025, 03:58:55 am »

Two weeks to Spring Training, so it's now two minutes to midnight ...

imref · « **Reply #993 on:** January 31, 2025, 03:28:42 pm »

Svrluga's latest:

"If the time wasn’t right for the Nationals to spend, when will it be?"

https://wapo.st/3WB478H

IanRubbish · « **Reply #994 on:** January 31, 2025, 03:33:18 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on January 30, 2025, 10:00:38 pm

They promoted 2 starters and 3 outfieders, 2 studs. The system is a bit thin due to promotions. That was KLaw's point when he ranked the system 17th

That's still thin with Wood and Crews. They have nowhere near the talent the Orioles did after their rebuild.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #995 on:** January 31, 2025, 04:01:05 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on January 31, 2025, 03:33:18 pm

That's still thin with Wood and Crews. They have nowhere near the talent the Orioles did after their rebuild.

i think the biggest disconnect between the team and outsiders looking in is whether they have an in-house 3rd base solution. Lowe is very much a bridge player like LaRoche. Most of the rest of the diamond is covered by young guys still with room to step forward and some likelihood to do so. IF they do have a 3rd base solution, then they are close. they should be better than last year even without House / Morales / Wallace taking over 3rd.

varoadking · « **Reply #996 on:** January 31, 2025, 04:13:42 pm »

Quote from: imref on January 31, 2025, 03:28:42 pm

Svrluga's latest:

"If the time wasn’t right for the Nationals to spend, when will it be?"

https://wapo.st/3WB478H

After the Lerner's sell the team...

varoadking · « **Reply #997 on:** January 31, 2025, 04:16:40 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on January 31, 2025, 03:33:18 pm

That's still thin with Wood and Crews. They have nowhere near the talent the Orioles did after their rebuild.

It stinks...and the more I think about it, 71 wins is likely pretty optimistic...especially without Corbin to take the ball every 5 days, because we know what a big deal that was...

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #998 on:** January 31, 2025, 04:17:07 pm »

Yea most teams at the bottom are unable to accumulate as much talent as the Orioles. And most need help from free agents. Even the Astros in their prime needed to get Cole and Verlander from other teams.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #999 on:** January 31, 2025, 09:40:40 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on January 31, 2025, 04:17:07 pm

Yea most teams at the bottom are unable to accumulate as much talent as the Orioles. And most need help from free agents. Even the Astros in their prime needed to get Cole and Verlander from other teams.

What's concerning is the Phillies have a stronger farm system right now than the Nats. One hope for this team within the NL East is Philly and NYM tripping over aging contracts, if they actually develop prospects that could be a big problem.