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Offline tomwvr

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #25: September 10, 2024, 08:36:30 PM »
When you field a minor league team and say its a major league team this is what happens

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #26: September 10, 2024, 08:48:47 PM »
At least the kids get to play

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #27: September 10, 2024, 08:58:01 PM »
This is not the journey I was hoping for

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #28: September 10, 2024, 08:58:18 PM »
So, Rainey is working on escaping jams by creating one

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #29: September 10, 2024, 08:58:55 PM »
You are right we are playing Kids against MEN. And the problem is anytime any of the kids grow into MEN the learners send them away. 

Offline Dave in Fairfax

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #30: September 10, 2024, 09:01:22 PM »
Kevin Frandsen played 999 and 1/3 innings at third base and made 15 errors (1 every 66 2/3 innings). Ryan Zimmerman played 9926 and 2/3 innings at third base and made 137 errors (one every 72.5 innings)

Tena has played 227 innings at third and made 9 errors (one every 25.2 innings).

Why are they making excuses for his fielding?

Offline Elvir Ovcina

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #31: September 10, 2024, 09:11:58 PM »
Kevin Frandsen played 999 and 1/3 innings at third base and made 15 errors (1 every 66 2/3 innings). Ryan Zimmerman played 9926 and 2/3 innings at third base and made 137 errors (one every 72.5 innings)

Tena has played 227 innings at third and made 9 errors (one every 25.2 innings).

Why are they making excuses for his fielding?

Zimmerman started at 3B for three years in the ACC.  Frandsen had roughly a year of D1 3B and then 100-something innings in the minors there in a pretty quick MiLB stint before the majors.

Tena averaged 9 games a year at 3B over 4 years in the minors and then was tossed there in the majors.  It's not shocking that he sucks there.  3B is hard, and if you're barely doing it over a long period, it's going to take a minute.  Frandsen wasn't very good at it in SF at first, either.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #32: September 10, 2024, 09:13:48 PM »
I sort of want to go thru gdts for the past month and watch your post as his ops rises.

All the way up from .604

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #33: September 10, 2024, 09:28:04 PM »
All the way up from .604
Who is Keibert blocking at this time? No one really. Need to play him and see if he can get better. His OPS is not that far off the league average. The defense is what really kills him. Adams is not good and Millas hasn’t shown much so far.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #34: September 10, 2024, 09:39:39 PM »
Who is Keibert blocking at this time? No one really. Need to play him and see if he can get better. His OPS is not that far off the league average. The defense is what really kills him. Adams is not good and Millas hasn’t shown much so far.

Millas hasn’t been given a chance.  Keibert is not an MLB catcher, they should at least bring in an FA who can throw down to 2nd, but won’t happen.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #35: September 10, 2024, 09:50:17 PM »
Millas hasn’t been given a chance.  Keibert is not an MLB catcher, they should at least bring in an FA who can throw down to 2nd, but won’t happen.
There’s other holes in the roster

so I would just go next year with Ruiz and Millas. 

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #36: September 10, 2024, 11:40:26 PM »
There’s other holes in the roster

so I would just go next year with Ruiz and Millas.

Ok, but Keibert doesn't have to hit 3rd.  Surely, Chapparo or Wood or Crews or someone who can maintain a .700+ OPS should be hitting there.

Offline Elvir Ovcina

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #37: September 11, 2024, 12:13:38 AM »
Ok, but Keibert doesn't have to hit 3rd.  Surely, Chapparo or Wood or Crews or someone who can maintain a .700+ OPS should be hitting there.

Standard decision

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #38: September 11, 2024, 09:02:07 AM »
Standard decision
I’m assuming that it’s just to get him more at bats this year. Also been hitting well lately so no real harm.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #39: September 11, 2024, 09:12:57 AM »
Davey seems to be big on slotting guys in the order where they are "comfortable." He prefers stable slots. Ruiz had a little hot streak hitting 4th, especially with Wood behind him and then being surrounded by Chappy, Yepez, and Tena, so Davey has given him some run there in the 2d half to try to salvage his year offensively. That said, it's carving up small samples, and if you go by this logic, hit him 8th.
https://www.fangraphs.com/players/keibert-ruiz/19610/splits?position=C

.694 OPS in the second half with a .195 ISO is enough for me to say the bat isn't his biggest problem.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #40: September 11, 2024, 11:14:47 AM »
For the same reason it took all of us until now to realize we didn't have a game day thread. No one cares anymore.


Sad. TO think that this team had the likes of Harper, Soto, Turner, Scherzer only a few years ago... :'(

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #41: September 11, 2024, 11:19:58 AM »
I'm still not used to the 6:45 starts. I commute by bike routinely after a break earlier in the year, so when I leave at 6:15 or so, then take a 50 minute ride and shower, it's already almost 7:30. Last night, I stopped in Del Ray for a chicken salad wrap and a frozen custard, so by the time I got back and turned the game on, it was near 8.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #42: September 11, 2024, 11:34:59 AM »
.694 OPS in the second half with a .195 ISO is enough for me to say the bat isn't his biggest problem.

You can make anyone look good with partial season stats.  His hard hit rate and barrel rate are still atrocious, and he's not hitting 3rd on any other team.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #43: September 11, 2024, 11:47:27 AM »
You can make anyone look good with partial season stats.  His hard hit rate and barrel rate are still atrocious, and he's not hitting 3rd on any other team.
How about multiple seasons then?  His hitting was much better in 2021-23 than this year.  So likely to bounce back.  The big issue is the defense.  Winning games the rest of this year is at best irrelevant.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #44: September 11, 2024, 12:07:46 PM »
I'm still not used to the 6:45 starts. I commute by bike routinely after a break earlier in the year, so when I leave at 6:15 or so, then take a 50 minute ride and shower, it's already almost 7:30. Last night, I stopped in Del Ray for a chicken salad wrap and a frozen custard, so by the time I got back and turned the game on, it was near 8.

I don’t think you should have to get used to it; I have no intention of getting used to it. Looks like we may add people who bike to the list of those for whom their decisions as far as this earlier start time — on top of previous siting decisions with reliance on an often unreliable transportation system — seem to make the practicality of getting there before the game is well underway logistically improbable.

And with the pace of play meaning the game could be a few innings in the evening by 7:30 PM, they seem to be giving even long-term plan holders like I have been every reason to not re-up, let alone choose night games over other forms of entertainment that don’t start that ridiculously early nor present comparable logistical challenges to so many.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #45: September 11, 2024, 12:46:00 PM »
I'm sure the earlier start times are very inconvenient for some. I'm also sure the earlier start times along with the new rules to speed up the game are very welcome to those who like to get home earlier after the game. It would seem the increase in attendance this year without the team player better might at least partially be due to the earlier start times.

Being retired it would be okay with me if it was like the old days before lights and play in the afternoon. I wonder how season ticket holders were able to go to the games back then and work also.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #46: September 11, 2024, 02:35:48 PM »
I don’t think you should have to get used to it; I have no intention of getting used to it. Looks like we may add people who bike to the list of those for whom their decisions as far as this earlier start time — on top of previous siting decisions with reliance on an often unreliable transportation system — seem to make the practicality of getting there before the game is well underway logistically improbable.

And with the pace of play meaning the game could be a few innings in the evening by 7:30 PM, they seem to be giving even long-term plan holders like I have been every reason to not re-up, let alone choose night games over other forms of entertainment that don’t start that ridiculously early nor present comparable logistical challenges to so many.

I think they're making a calculated decision to target people who work in the city rather than suburbanites who are driving in and back out.  Then they go for the suburban families with the Saturday 4:05s.

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #47: September 11, 2024, 02:44:32 PM »
Those 4:05 games are great for going shadow puppets on the field from the upper concourse  :D   

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Re: Nationals vs Braves, Game 1
« Reply #48: September 11, 2024, 03:54:45 PM »
I think they're making a calculated decision to target people who work in the city rather than suburbanites who are driving in and back out.  Then they go for the suburban families with the Saturday 4:05s.

I think they may be making a calculated decision that combined with the shorter game time, they’re maximizing over 80 dates where the contracted hours of operation can be drawn down from where it was previously, and adjust game day employment costs accordingly. Just noticed that both Philly and Detroit have 6:40 PM start times today, for what that’s worth. Wonder how long it will be until other places may express that priority.

At least in Philly, people don’t have to jump through hoops to secure parking if that’s the way they want to go and can organize accordingly without eating into the arrival timeline. Just one more reason that one may conclude that the ballpark really should’ve been at the RFK stadium site once DC got the team.