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« Reply #150 on: June 24, 2025, 03:59:49 pm »
Yea read this the other day and it scared me.  From what I’ve read though he still has just a 25% input on decisions with the other three owners.  Maybe he figures he can annoy them and force more out.

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« Reply #151 on: June 24, 2025, 05:20:47 pm »

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« Reply #152 on: June 24, 2025, 09:23:21 pm »
Comments on Woody Johnson in The Athletic:

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If you didn’t watch *Ted Lasso* please understand that I have not invented the following tidbit of comedic dialogue from the show’s first season - it was really, truly, honest-to-goodness part of the show:

*“Ted: Back home, if a team was playing poorly, we don't call 'em unlucky. What do we call 'em, Coach?*

*“Coach Beard: New York Jets.”*

My thoughts? Cash his checks, pretend to laugh at his jokes, don’t listen to his “ideas,” and if he tells you the sky is blue go to the window for a close look before you believe him.

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@Matthew G. This is a massively underrated comment. As a frequent observer of "all things Jets", you cannot underestimate the mush effect Woody can have on a franchise.

I cannot understand why Woody Johnson would want to buy a minority share of Chrystal Palace, unless he expects to buy mre, meaning enough to control the team.

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Re: Soccer 2024-25
« Reply #153 on: June 30, 2025, 12:22:11 pm »
Big-name soccer clubs are upset that the Club World Cup has so few fans in the seats. Chelsea's manager, Maresca, is angry that there was a thunderstorm in NC, a storm that caused officials to pull the teams off the field for more than an hour. Other managers seem surprised that most of the US is hot in the summer.

Of course, the Lords of Soccer chose to play the CWC and then World Cup in North America, in the middle of summer, in the middle of baseball season.

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« Reply #154 on: June 30, 2025, 01:46:07 pm »
The Brits, and the American stooge fans who get mad if anyone doesn't try to regard soccer exactly as the Brits do, will find something to complain about any time a competition is held outside of England. FIFA's own rules require that a game be stopped if there's lightning within a 10-mile radius of the stadium. It's not like this is something unique to a competition in the United States. Certainly thunderstorms are more common here than they are in England, but they're not unique to this country.

If there were no thunderstorms, they'd then be whining that it wasn't raining enough and that the fields are dryer and firmer than they are in England such that a clean sliding tackle is more difficult to accomplish without skinning your legs. I'm surprised they haven't been complaining about the front row of seats in Atlanta being higher up above field level than in some other stadiums (this because Atlanta has some retractable seating to allow for a full-sized soccer field instead of playing on a narrower field the way you see in some NFL stadiums).

And if they'd scheduled the Club World Cup and next year's World Cup for a time of year other than summer, they'd nag and moan just like they did when the 2022 World Cup was held in November (though as a practical matter, a US World Cup will never be held at that time of year because the NFL and college football make that a non-starter).

I saw an article suggesting that part of the issue with bad attendance is an "oversaturation of soccer" this summer with the Gold Cup going on at the same time. I think poor scheduling is part of it as well. There was a game at Audi Field last Thursday at 3:00 PM between teams from Morocco and the UAE. Scheduling a game between two relatively unknown opponents during the afternoon on a weekday is dumb, especially in a workaholic city like DC. The stadium was half-full. The other game from that group, played simultaneously, was between Juventus and Manchester City. Quite understandable why they chose a larger venue for that one (the Citrus Bowl in Orlando, where they got around 55,000 people), and presumably those two teams being from Western Europe was the reason for the 3:00 PM game times (prime time TV over there).

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« Reply #155 on: June 30, 2025, 06:07:33 pm »
Bottom line is that the CWC is the tournament that no-one but FIFA wanted - it's been regarded, by fans, as just a money-grabbing exercise right from the start. The real issue is player welfare - with the early season starts, to allow for the WC, in '26, many players will only get a four-week off-season. The FIFA policy of rotating the WC across the Conferences meant that the next WC had to be in North America which, realistically, means the US and / or Mexico. Conspiracy types are wondering if this is part of a FIFA grand plan to try and make soccer an all-year sport, with no effective off-season.

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« Reply #156 on: June 30, 2025, 06:25:15 pm »
Interesting read, on the CWC and weather conditions. Apologies if Sport has followed News behind a paywall, in the US.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/crk6620vg6ko

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« Reply #157 on: June 30, 2025, 08:55:46 pm »
That wasn’t paywalled for me.

In the scheme of things, it would probably be possible to play a World Cup in the US and Canada using mostly indoor venues except on the West Coast and in Canada, assuming whoever runs each of these venues were to cooperate:

—Vancouver (retractable roof)
—Edmonton (outdoor)
—Calgary (outdoor)
—Seattle (outdoor)
—Los Angeles (fixed roof, open sides)
—Phoenix (retractable roof)
—Las Vegas (fixed roof)
—Dallas (retractable roof)
—San Antonio (fixed roof)
—Houston (retractable roof)
—St. Louis (fixed roof at the old Rams stadium)
—Minneapolis (fixed roof)
—Winnipeg (outdoor)
—Detroit (fixed roof)
—Indianapolis (fixed roof)
—New Orleans (fixed roof)
—Atlanta (retractable roof)
—Toronto (outdoor)
—Montreal (fixed roof at Olympic Stadium)

Cleveland has a dome planned for the Browns, and there’s talk that the RFK successor will have either a retractable roof or a dome.

The problem there is omitting New York, of course.

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Re: Soccer 2024-25
« Reply #158 on: July 01, 2025, 08:27:05 am »
you could probably knock out the fixed roof indoor stadiums because of turf issues. I'm not sure if the grow natural grass in some of the football-oriented retractable roof venues. Unless you have a stadium designed with turf that can be slid in and out of the stadium, the artificial turf is a problem.

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« Reply #159 on: July 01, 2025, 10:20:40 am »
you could probably knock out the fixed roof indoor stadiums because of turf issues. I'm not sure if the grow natural grass in some of the football-oriented retractable roof venues. Unless you have a stadium designed with turf that can be slid in and out of the stadium, the artificial turf is a problem.

30 years ago, Giants Stadium put a grass surface over the artificial turf for World Cup games.

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« Reply #160 on: July 01, 2025, 01:52:18 pm »
30 years ago, Giants Stadium put a grass surface over the artificial turf for World Cup games.
It can be done, but it takes work. The surface is never right.

A guy I went to college with designed the first stadium where the turf could grow outside and get wheeled in for games. It was for a town in the Dutch 3rd division that wanted to use the facility for concerts and other events and just have the turf there for futbol games.

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« Reply #161 on: July 01, 2025, 04:27:56 pm »
It can be done, but it takes work. The surface is never right.

A guy I went to college with designed the first stadium where the turf could grow outside and get wheeled in for games. It was for a town in the Dutch 3rd division that wanted to use the facility for concerts and other events and just have the turf there for futbol games.

Yeah that was a one off and the sod was disposable. The Meadowlands was heavily used.

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« Reply #162 on: July 01, 2025, 04:31:25 pm »
Yeah that was a one off and the sod was disposable. The Meadowlands was heavily used.
iirc, the turf is very soft because it can't root and it was bumpy.

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« Reply #163 on: July 01, 2025, 05:30:25 pm »
Yeah that was a one off and the sod was disposable.

Is that any way to talk about a stadium designer?... :D   ;)

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« Reply #164 on: July 01, 2025, 05:36:37 pm »
Is that any way to talk about a stadium designer?... :D   ;)

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« Reply #165 on: July 07, 2025, 05:43:13 am »

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« Reply #166 on: July 08, 2025, 05:13:54 am »
Believe it, or not, just 38 days after PSG lifted the trophy, the new season's Champions League gets underway, today, with the First Qualifying Round - features the champions of the minor European leagues, so the likes of San Marino, Northern Ireland, Armenia, and so on, are represented.

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« Reply #167 on: July 08, 2025, 11:09:08 am »
No real beginning or end. 

Not sure if any of those matches are on the telly here?

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« Reply #168 on: July 10, 2025, 11:47:46 am »
WTOP reports that DC United fired the head coach after blowing a two-goal lead in a US Open Cup game in Nashville last night and losing 5–2.

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« Reply #169 on: July 10, 2025, 03:44:17 pm »
PSG crush Real 4 - 0 to reach the final of the CWC, where they'll face Chelsea. PSG looking irresistible - Enrique is cementing his place as one of the greatest coaches (has already achieved the domestic treble in two leagues - with Barcelona and PSG) and PSG are on course to complete an unprecedented quintet - Champions League, Ligue 1, Coupe de France, Trophee des Champions and CWC.

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« Reply #170 on: July 11, 2025, 02:50:57 pm »
This would be mildly interesting if DC United were not so bad this year: They are hosting an exhibition game against Club America on Saturday, September 6, at Audi Field.

No doubt that will feel like a road game for United and they will get their arse kicked either way.

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« Reply #171 on: July 11, 2025, 06:30:45 pm »
UEFA has declared that Josh Harris other football team, Crystal Palace, should not play in the Europa League this fall. Details:

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Crystal Palace have been banned from the Europa League and moved into the Conference League after Uefa concluded the FA Cup ­winners were in breach of its multi-club ownership rules.

The Palace chair Steve Parish described the decision as “probably one of the greatest injustices that has ever happened in European football” and said that the club - who have never played in a major European competition - are likely to appeal to the court of arbitration for sport.

“We’re devastated - I think it’s a bad day for football,” Parish told Sky Sports. “I think most football fans, right minded football fans will see what injustice, terrible injustice this is for the football club. [An appeal] is one option.

“I think what we would much prefer is if somebody intervened in this process. We believe it’s possible for [Uefa president Aleksander] Mr Ceferin or somebody to do that.”

Nottingham Forest are in line to be promoted from the Conference League to take Palace’s Europa League spot but Uefa will wait for any court proceedings to end before making an announcement.

The ban had been expected after Lyon won their appeal against relegation to Ligue 2 this week, clearing them to take their place in the tournament.

Clubs with the same owner are barred from competing in the same Uefa competition if an individual or ownership group is considered to have a decisive influence over more than one of those teams.

ohn Textor is Palace’s largest shareholder and the owner of Lyon. A 1 March deadline for resolving multi-club ownership issues was not met and although Textor recently agreed a deal to sell his Palace shares to the US billionaire Woody Johnson, the move has not been completed and was deemed to have come too late. Uefa said in a statement that its club financial control body had concluded that the multi-club ownership criteria had been breached and had decided “to reject Crystal ­Palace’s admission to the 2025-26 Uefa Europa League and to accept ­Crystal ­Palace’s admission to the 2025-26 Uefa ­Conference League”.

Lyon qualified for the Europa League by finishing sixth in France’s top division and had agreed with Uefa that they would be excluded from its club competitions if their ­relegation, imposed for financial reasons, was not overturned. Lyon’s higher league position last season gives them ­precedence for the Europa League spot.

Textor resigned from his leadership positions at Lyon this month, including from the board, and Michele Kang was named as the ­president and chair

Palace’s four co-owners – ­Textor, Parish, Josh Harris and David Blitzer – were part of a club ­delegation that attended a meeting at Uefa’s headquarters in Nyon and argued that Textor did not have a decisive influence at ­Selhurst Park.

That, though, did not convince Uefa and the governing body rejected an attempt by Textor and Blitzer to place their shares in a blind trust because they had missed the March deadline. Use of a blind trust has enabled other clubs with the same owners to play together in a Uefa competition.

On Thursday Textor had toldsaid on TalkSport: “Why should I put my interest in a trust back before March when the rule says you only have to do it if you have decisive influence? I don’t.”

Textor was the largest single shareholder, at 46%, but he has been frozen out by Parrish, Blitzer, and Harris. That's why Textor has been trying to sell his Palace shares.

Meanwhile, Textor's French team was relegated because they are near bankruptcy. The French soccer association chose to protect Lyon because they are a famous team, French champions several times.


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« Reply #172 on: July 12, 2025, 11:15:19 am »
This would be mildly interesting if DC United were not so bad this year: They are hosting an exhibition game against Club America on Saturday, September 6, at Audi Field.

No doubt that will feel like a road game for United and they will get their arse kicked either way.

Err, well, my wife decided she wants to go to this, so we bought tickets. I’m rather surprised. She finds the constant drumming from the standing-room area annoying during MLS games, so I didn’t think she’d be all that interested in going to this one in particular.

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« Reply #173 on: July 12, 2025, 01:27:11 pm »
She finds the constant drumming from the standing-room area annoying during MLS games

Do they have a chant leader, with a bull horn, as well?...

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« Reply #174 on: July 13, 2025, 05:16:41 pm »
Too bad our late forum member OldChelsea is not here today.