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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #100: July 02, 2024, 12:14:22 PM »
So wait one more year. Next year is more about getting the young guys experience and trying for .500. Maybe House is up then also. 2026 is probably the real first year of competing if things break right.
You can't just keep kicking the can. You don't know when you're going to have healthy pitching. Its kind of why I think they should at least try this year. Its entirely possible that Gore will go down needing TJS, Irvin will not be as consistent, and Parker will not stay healthy. And its not like free agents will be better or younger.

If we're not competing in 2025,  then I don't know what we are doing here.

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« Reply #101: July 02, 2024, 01:04:41 PM »
You can't just keep kicking the can. You don't know when you're going to have healthy pitching. Its kind of why I think they should at least try this year. Its entirely possible that Gore will go down needing TJS, Irvin will not be as consistent, and Parker will not stay healthy. And its not like free agents will be better or younger.

If we're not competing in 2025,  then I don't know what we are doing here.
Better than overpaying for a free agent and locking in a big contact.  Just because it worked with Werth doesn’t mean it will again. Anyway you ruled out all the 1B guys.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #102: July 02, 2024, 01:50:10 PM »
Better than overpaying for a free agent and locking in a big contact.  Just because it worked with Werth doesn’t mean it will again. Anyway you ruled out all the 1B guys.
We have Gore under 3 more years of team control after this season. Same for Garcia. CJ 4. If you write off 2025, then you need to start asking yourself "when is the best time to deal Gore?"

There are a few holes to fill, for sure. If you consider top of the rotation starter as one, then that's probably tough to fill except with a big contract. Otherwise, fortunately, finding a 1B and another hitter isn't that tough. Even in a limited market, there are guys like Christian Walker who are not going to command 4+ year commitments that can be brought on.  For hitters, there's always Jesse Winker.

The timing is never going to be precise here. Wood, House, Crews, Cavalli all require some projection, but this lineup and roster is a lot closer to plugging a few holes than needing show it has any pieces in place.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #103: July 02, 2024, 02:03:44 PM »
Better than overpaying for a free agent and locking in a big contact.  Just because it worked with Werth doesn’t mean it will again. Anyway you ruled out all the 1B guys.
Treading water is only the preferred option when you're completely lost. If we're not improving then we're going backward.

2025 is it. There should be no question about trying to make the playoffs. If were writing off 2025 as another developmental year, we may as well send Wood back down and wait until we are sure he has rookie eligibility.

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« Reply #104: July 02, 2024, 03:57:16 PM »
They need to find a impact first baseman, somebody to platoon with Garcia at second and have a placeholder at third until House and or Morales are ready. Both should be up by mid next year. Crews, Young and Wood should fill the outfield. Next year is the year to start making serious noise.

Another reliable starter would be nice also. I don't have a lot of confidence in Cavalli unless Doo can work his magic.

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« Reply #105: July 02, 2024, 04:09:59 PM »
Treading water is only the preferred option when you're completely lost. If we're not improving then we're going backward.

2025 is it. There should be no question about trying to make the playoffs. If were writing off 2025 as another developmental year, we may as well send Wood back down and wait until we are sure he has rookie eligibility.
It will be Wood and Crews first full year. They will probably OPS like .750. Be realistic. They are a few years away from being a serious contender.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #106: July 02, 2024, 04:22:35 PM »
It will be Wood and Crews first full year. They will probably OPS like .750. Be realistic. They are a few years away from being a serious contender.
Thats a huge boost to what we have. With the same pitching, thats a WC team.

Also, if thats all Wood can muster after 3 additional months in the major league, than I was right and he's a bust and the rebuild never launched.

Judge and Rendon were .900+ and .800+ OPS at the same point in their careers. No reason to think Wood and Crews can't be the same.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #107: July 02, 2024, 04:27:53 PM »
They need to find a impact first baseman, somebody to platoon with Garcia at second and have a placeholder at third until House and or Morales are ready. Both should be up by mid next year. Crews, Young and Wood should fill the outfield. Next year is the year to start making serious noise.

Another reliable starter would be nice also. I don't have a lot of confidence in Cavalli unless Doo can work his magic.
Impactful first basemen are going away. First base and DH are going to be where you platoon or rest guys.


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« Reply #108: July 03, 2024, 04:18:14 PM »
Impactful first basemen are going away. First base and DH are going to be where you platoon or rest guys.

Freddie Freeman, Matt Olson, Bryce Harper, Rhys Hoskins, Pete Alonso, Vladimir Guerrero, Paul Goldsmidt, Cody Bellinger, Yandy Diaz, Christian Walker, Nathaniel Lowe, Ryan Mountcastle.

Impactful first baseman will always be around mainly because you can take a less athletic guy without range or older guy and move them there and get the bat in the lineup every day.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #109: July 03, 2024, 05:02:39 PM »
Freddie Freeman, Matt Olson, Bryce Harper, Rhys Hoskins, Pete Alonso, Vladimir Guerrero, Paul Goldsmidt, Cody Bellinger, Yandy Diaz, Christian Walker, Nathaniel Lowe, Ryan Mountcastle.

Impactful first baseman will always be around mainly because you can take a less athletic guy without range or older guy and move them there and get the bat in the lineup every day.

Hoskins is a league average bat this year and was so duplicative, the Phillies moved their MVP RFer to firs

Alonso's impact is pretty much the Home Run Derby. And his agent is going to want 200+ million, so thanks but no

Guerrero impacts a buffet more than the baseball

Goldshmidt has been washed for years

Bellinger plays CF and is a slap hitter.

Diaz is a league average bat

Walker is a below average bat outside of Arizona

Lowe slugs .399 and is a somewhat abover average hitter. Not exactly impactful

Most of them arent that impactful or were to washed to play anywhere. Unless you're an MVP candidate, first base is where you move guys when they're too old to play anywhere else.

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« Reply #110: July 03, 2024, 05:29:29 PM »
Unless you're an MVP candidate, first base is where you move guys when they're too old to play anywhere else.

That's my point. There will always be everyday impactful bats at first because it's a place you can still get a bat in the lineup that can field but not good enough to play anywhere else. It's also a place where a younger guy who can hit and can field but don't have the range to play elsewhere. The Nats need to find one.

The weird thing is Joey Meneses has a .324 BA and an OPS of .816 with RISP. Just like last year he's tied in the lead for RBI's on the Nats. Maybe he's more choosey with RISP, don't know.

I don't care what your GM say, the impactful first baseman is here to stay.

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« Reply #111: July 03, 2024, 06:39:14 PM »
Phillies moved Harper to first dur to his arm issues. Not BECAUSE Hoskins was duplicative. They could have kept him for DH but needed to move Schwarber there   

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« Reply #112: July 07, 2024, 09:06:33 AM »
I don't think I support trading Lane Thomas anymore. The Nationals look ready to contend for a WC spot in 2025 and they could use a veteran presence in the outfield.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #113: July 07, 2024, 09:25:00 AM »
Are we rotating the three OFers through DH then? Are we benching Young?

Is it wild to suggest Wood move to first base?

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #114: July 07, 2024, 09:34:52 AM »
Is it wild to suggest Wood move to first base?

I have wondered the same thing...

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« Reply #115: July 07, 2024, 09:41:29 AM »
Are we rotating the three OFers through DH then? Are we benching Young?

Is it wild to suggest Wood move to first base?

Is Wood a worse defensive outfielder than Thomas? Can Thomas play first base?

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« Reply #116: July 07, 2024, 09:43:05 AM »
Are we rotating the three OFers through DH then? Are we benching Young?

Is it wild to suggest Wood move to first base?

So you are projecting Crews , Young and Thomas (until Lile or long shot Hassell is ready) ? Interesting thought on Wood on 1B.

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« Reply #117: July 07, 2024, 09:50:30 AM »
What about Winker at 1st base?     

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« Reply #118: July 07, 2024, 09:58:54 AM »
What about Winker at 1st base?     

Makes the most sense.

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« Reply #119: July 07, 2024, 10:00:57 AM »
Makes the most sense.

I like the idea but I strongly feel he will be traded at the deadline or sooner to Atlanta.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #120: July 07, 2024, 10:38:13 AM »
So the youth movement is in full swing and we've got all of the projected core of next-gen Nats in place except Crews and House who are both in AAA now.

This is getting fun.

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« Reply #121: July 07, 2024, 10:40:20 AM »
So the youth movement is in full swing and we've got all of the projected core of next-gen Nats in place except Crews and House who are both in AAA now.

This is getting fun.
Well Cavalli is not back yet.  Gray out for who knows how long.  Crews and House still in Triple A. Hassell and your boy Yo Yo seemingly far away. And no real catcher.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #122: July 07, 2024, 10:51:14 AM »
Is Wood a worse defensive outfielder than Thomas? Can Thomas play first base?
Thomas has a gold glove nomination.

I think they're all capable outfield defenders. But at this point, you either bench Young, move someone to DH/1B, or trade Young/Thomas.

What about Winker at 1st base?     
Winker is gone at the end of the year. His xBA and xSLG are all low. The OBP is nice, but I dont know how sustainable his bat is. I gotta think he's going to be looking for a multi-year deal, even as a platoon option.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #123: July 07, 2024, 11:36:40 AM »
Are we rotating the three OFers through DH then? Are we benching Young?

Is it wild to suggest Wood move to first base?
yes. That much speed, a guy who could play CF well until he grows too big, is a complete waste of his tools if you move him to 1st. I'm giving him slack for looking a little rough in LF for now because that is the place he's played the least.

Lane is a bad outfielder. -8 OAA in less than half a year in 2024 is awful. UZR and DRS confirm this. He's negative for his career by all these metrics, so the sample size is not small. Nice arm is about his only saving grace.

If anyone among Crews, Young, and Wood gets moved to DH, it has to be Thomas. If Young can't hit, then you have an offense /defense calculation about whether to play Thomas or Young. Both Wood and Crews are primary starters. I will also assume that if they re-sign Winker and Thomas is still with the club, then one of them plays 1st.

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Re: Now we’re having fun: 2025 Nats Roster
« Reply #124: July 07, 2024, 11:49:43 AM »
There has to be an FA signing, the drafted talent is just not deep enough.  The org is living off the Soto trade.  Doesn't have to be a big dumb contract, which the Lerners only do with deferrals anyway, but there was no reason they couldn't have signed Rhys Hoskins, and a similar deal would make a lot of sense.  Things would be much worse if Doo hadn't shown up and gotten the pitchers into shape. 

On top of that, the baserunning gaffes have to stop.  This team excels at giving away outs, and that needs to be addressed above and beyond trades and singings..