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Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Topic Start: April 13, 2024, 07:41:08 AM »
Was only a non-roster invite  and a cheap signing, but so far we can't be too disappointed with his start. Too early for meaningful statistical analysis, but .361 / .511 / .528 line with is pretty nice. Chipped in with his first dinger last night. The .429 BABIP can't continue, but the 17% walk rate and 15% K rate are nearing the point where they become meaningful. Defensively, he's still bad and will likely rack up assists as people test his ability to come up with a ball and make a quick and accurate throw, but he's really a DH playing out of position.

OF the guys we signed to trade, I suspect he'll have a market, maybe as soon as the Nats are ready to call up Wood. Both Meneses and Rosario should not be taking playing time from him. It will be interesting when Garrett is ready. The best non-Wood lineup probably has Garrett in left and Winker at DH.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #1: April 13, 2024, 12:26:08 PM »
Not sure where to put this so an overzealous moderator can place this in another thread. I have been very adamant regarding the Gallo and Senzel signings and consider them useless. We will get nothing back at the deadline for either of them and my money is on Senzel being Dickersoned. Unfortunately, Gallo and Senzel have guaranteed contracts and they will be in the lineup until at least the deadline. Though I would like to see Wood promoted I think it is wise to keep him at Rochester until mid May. Given the hand we have been dealt I think the line up starting in mid May will be:
Abrams SS
Thomas  RF
Winker  DH
Gallo    1B
Ruiz     C
Wood   LF
Senzel  3B
Garcia. 2B
Robles  CF

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Adams, Vargas, Yepez, Rosario

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #2: April 13, 2024, 12:50:57 PM »
Winker woud be a much better DH than our current one. Of course that lineup depends on Robles coming back soon. At this point I'd rather see Yepez at DH.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #3: April 13, 2024, 01:05:09 PM »
Gallo can play left, Winker DH, and Yepez 1st. Garrett could force the issue, too, and he's on the 40 man.

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« Reply #4: April 18, 2024, 09:03:46 AM »


A future infield of:

2B - Garcia
3B - House
SS - Abrams

And hopefully YoYo at 1B. Crews and Wood in the OF. Our catchers will be a weak point, and throw in two bats at DH and LF, and you've got a damn good lineup. That lineup can even field a bit too. Maybe that LF is Hassall, maybe it's a FA. Still need pitching, but the future doesn't look so bad.


I see Winker having more upside than Hassel. You also have Lile and Pinckney as the LF.  Winker is on a MiLB contract probably being paid major league minimum. Does he become a FA at season end or do the Nats have to tender him to keep him?

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Winker will be a FA at the end of this season

Edit: I think that would be true regardless since he was a free agent this past offseason, but Winker also already has 6 years of service time going into this season.

Senzel will also be a FA even though he doesn't have 6 years of service time yet.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #6: April 19, 2024, 11:30:19 AM »
Winker and CJ worked out together this off-season, and CJ picked up on a number of tips from Winker's very deliberate hitting approach.

Golden: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/04/18/jesse-winker-nationals/

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In the offseason, shortstop CJ Abrams and Winker formed a bond working out together at the Maven Baseball Lab in Atlanta. And Abrams was thrilled when Washington signed Winker. Abrams said Winker, who has made an effort to take Washington’s young hitters under his wing, has been the veteran mentor he has needed.

“Paying attention to detail,” Abrams said about Winker’s success. “Every day, he’s working and making sure everything is perfect with his swing.”

Abrams said he often picks Winker’s brain because their swings are similar. Winker and Abrams, who is hitting .295 with a 1.014 OPS, have been two of the bright spots in a Nationals offense that has struggled as a whole.

“Having hit in the same place all winter, I think they share information,” Coles said. “They know each other’s swing backward and forward. So anytime one gets a little out of sync, they talk to each other.”

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #7: April 20, 2024, 12:36:18 PM »
Bravo on the thread title.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #8: April 20, 2024, 12:54:02 PM »
Bravo on the thread title.  :clap: :clap: :clap:
beats some play on Tinky Winky.

("Nudge, Nudge, Grin, Grin,) Winker, Winker, (say no more Squire") would have been too long, and this one is baseball related.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #9: April 21, 2024, 11:31:01 AM »
What a 9th inning yesterday! And Winker's hit was something right out of 2019.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #10: April 21, 2024, 11:35:09 AM »
Keep him in the lineup as long as his bat stays hot, but his .413 BABIP is 5th in MLB.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #11: April 21, 2024, 11:50:20 AM »
Keep him in the lineup as long as his bat stays hot, but his .413 BABIP is 5th in MLB.
he's been a bit of an overperformer on his xstats, but he's as much a lucky guy as Lane and Joey have underperformed

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #12: April 21, 2024, 02:39:22 PM »
He's barrelling the ball at a rate he hasn't since 2021 when he had a wRC+ over 140. He's getting a bit lucky but he's not just hitting cheapies either.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #13: April 21, 2024, 02:40:22 PM »
He's barrelling the ball at a rate he hasn't since 2021 when he had a wRC+ over 140. He's getting a bit lucky but he's not just hitting cheapies either.
I mean, you can buy a scenario where 2021 is reality for him and last year was injury related as he says.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #14: April 22, 2024, 11:53:13 PM »
Winker was good from his age 23 - 27 years. The Nats might of got something here.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #15: June 21, 2024, 09:25:11 PM »
update.

Going into tonight, among Nats with over 250 PAs after 2019, Winke rhas the second highest OBP, behind only Soto, at .381. He's 4th in wRC+, behind Soto, Turner, and Schwarber.

Can't play a lick in the outfield, but a heck of nice hitter.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #16: June 22, 2024, 09:09:01 AM »
Candelario level return?

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #17: June 22, 2024, 09:50:19 AM »
Unless there's a surprising offer at the deadline, extend him as the DH. Maybe see if he can be coached up at first base.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #18: June 22, 2024, 10:13:04 AM »
Unless there's a surprising offer at the deadline, extend him as the DH. Maybe see if he can be coached up at first base.
Why not just trade him and sign him in the offseason?

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #19: June 22, 2024, 11:26:58 AM »
Candelario level return?
his offense is better,  but Candy was an above average defender at 3rd. Winker cannot play in the field except maybe Fenway or some other place with a small corner outfield. He's not as valuable as Candy.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #20: June 22, 2024, 11:50:29 AM »
his offense is better,  but Candy was an above average defender at 3rd. Winker cannot play in the field except maybe Fenway or some other place with a small corner outfield. He's not as valuable as Candy.

This team would be so much better right now with Winker at DH and Crews in LF.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #21: June 22, 2024, 12:51:12 PM »
This team would be so much better right now with Winker at DH and Crews in LF.
It's not going to be Crews. They had some reason to bump him to AAA rather than call him up directly, and, whatever the reason, one week of play in one park against one AAA opponent isn't going to change that.

OTOH, I think all Wood has to do is show he's healthy and they call him up at this point. I sort of think this would have happened by now but for the injury.

Overall though, Winker is one of the best hitters we've picked up since 2019. Right up there with Schwarber, Candelario, Bell when he was here, and Thomas. i could make a case he's a better hitter than all but Schwarber in terms of performance here, if not talent. I also question the market for him because it has to be a good team with a gaping hole at DH that is willing to lock in the position.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #22: June 22, 2024, 01:16:06 PM »
It's not going to be Crews. They had some reason to bump him to AAA rather than call him up directly, and, whatever the reason, one week of play in one park against one AAA opponent isn't going to change that.

OTOH, I think all Wood has to do is show he's healthy and they call him up at this point. I sort of think this would have happened by now but for the injury.

Overall though, Winker is one of the best hitters we've picked up since 2019. Right up there with Schwarber, Candelario, Bell when he was here, and Thomas. i could make a case he's a better hitter than all but Schwarber in terms of performance here, if not talent. I also question the market for him because it has to be a good team with a gaping hole at DH that is willing to lock in the position.
They can DH Wood and play Crews. Triple A is pointless. Put Winker at first, DH Wood to avoid straining his hammy, put Crews in LF.

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Re: Winker's Ever our Chance for offense
« Reply #23: June 22, 2024, 01:44:44 PM »
They can DH Wood and play Crews. Triple A is pointless. Put Winker at first, DH Wood to avoid straining his hammy, put Crews in LF.
Winker has not played an inning of 1B in his MLB career. Honestly, if they were to try that, I think he'd need to take a ton of reps over the All Star break. It's just not going to happen if they are making a playoff push, which is why you'd bring both Crews and Wood up now.

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« Reply #24: June 24, 2024, 05:52:30 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2024/06/22/jesse-winker-nationals-revived-career/

Profile on his conditioning in the off-season. Dropped maybe 35 pounds (to 205 from "25 pounds over what he considered his ideal playing weight of 215"). Strength and sprint speed increased.