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« Reply #125 on: June 12, 2024, 08:45:59 pm »
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Jake Irvin now has a 3.00 ERA on the season. He has a 1.13 ERA in his last four starts. He’s gone 6+ innings in five straight and in 10 of 12 starts this season. He’s got the third-best BB/9 among all qualified NL starters.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #126 on: June 12, 2024, 09:37:47 pm »
Irvin might be the most pleasant surprise of the season.  One less spot to fill if he can remain a solid number three starter.

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« Reply #127 on: June 12, 2024, 10:03:46 pm »
Irvin might be the most pleasant surprise of the season.  One less spot to fill if he can remain a solid number three starter.
Really the most pleasant surprise the last two seasons. Funny how sometimes the less heralded pitching prospects turn out the best. 

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« Reply #128 on: June 12, 2024, 10:18:01 pm »
Really the most pleasant surprise the last two seasons. Funny how sometimes the less heralded pitching prospects turn out the best.

Irvin obviously will never be as good as Greg Maddox but as I was watching him tonight he reminded me of Maddox the way he pitches.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #129 on: June 13, 2024, 01:24:28 am »
He is an All Star along with Finny

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2024, 08:27:20 am »
16th in ERA, 21st in FIP, 21st in fWAR among 74 pitchers qualified for the ERA title, 16th in IP, 9th fewest BB/9. Between AAA and MLB, he threw 143.1 IP last year, so I don't see him on much of an innings limit. Maybe they manage the load a bit to get him to 170-180, and pull him from the rotation in late september if we are not in the WC race.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2024, 08:28:31 am »
He is an All Star along with Finny
not that fWAR is the be all and end all, but he leads the Nats. Of course, by that measure, Finny is not the top reliever.

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« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2024, 08:34:43 am »
16th in ERA, 21st in FIP, 21st in fWAR among 74 pitchers qualified for the ERA title, 16th in IP, 9th fewest BB/9. Between AAA and MLB, he threw 143.1 IP last year, so I don't see him on much of an innings limit. Maybe they manage the load a bit to get him to 170-180, and pull him from the rotation in late september if we are not in the WC race.

I agree with your innings limit and I do expect him to be pulled as I expect Cavalli to make his appearance in the later part of August and not before. Hopefully Williams will be back then and can replace Parker as he will be puled also. Maybe the rotation will be Gore, Gray, Williams , Cavalli and Corbin (POS).

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2024, 09:05:02 am »
not that fWAR is the be all and end all, but he leads the Nats. Of course, by that measure, Finny is not the top reliever.

Second in the NL in saves with a sub 2 ERA. Finnegan should be an all star

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #134 on: June 13, 2024, 09:31:00 am »
I agree with your innings limit and I do expect him to be pulled as I expect Cavalli to make his appearance in the later part of August and not before. Hopefully Williams will be back then and can replace Parker as he will be puled also. Maybe the rotation will be Gore, Gray, Williams , Cavalli and Corbin (POS).
Only way Williams pitches for this team after July is either if he's not healthy enough before the trade deadline for a contender to want him or if the Nats find themselves in a 4 or fewer team race for a wild card and there's a change of heart about going for it.

Irvin will pitch as long as the games are meaningful. He's made 14 starts through 67 games. figure his slot will come up another 18 and game 162 if it matters. He's thrown 81 IP over the 14 starts, or around 5.8 IP per start. IF he goes another 100 IP, he should be able to cover 17 starts at that rate. Basically, skips his last 2 starts, maybe just one.

Parker faces the more stringent innings limit. He went 124 IP last year, so figure he's maybe 160 max? Again, about 100 more IP. he's at about 5.5 IP per start, so that could take him out to the end of the year. Gore will also be able to pitch into September too.

I don't see Corbin starting in September, especially if Gray and Cavalli are effective when they are back. By that time, there may be some of the AA arms like Lara or Lord who get a look.



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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #135 on: June 13, 2024, 10:19:10 am »
Yea, I dont think Trevor is going to be healthy enough to trade before the deadline. He has the same injury as Gray. Gray has been out over 2 months and will need at least two more rehab starts.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #136 on: June 13, 2024, 11:11:00 am »
Corbin should of started Tuesday instead of skipping him and going with Parker then Irvin because of the off day. Give these young guys a break when you can.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #137 on: June 13, 2024, 12:40:43 pm »
Starting Corbin is giving the whole team a day off. Weems and Rainey can use it to throw a practice game against Detroit hitters. Nunez can get four plate appearances for serious batting practice. Lipscomb can give Garcia or Meneses a day off. The rest don't need to try hard.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #138 on: June 14, 2024, 07:24:14 pm »
Gray looked ok first inning tonight. Maybe he heard that mumbo jumbo from Davey and it made sense to him?

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #139 on: June 14, 2024, 07:29:01 pm »
Gray looked ok first inning tonight. Maybe he heard that mumbo jumbo from Davey and it made sense to him?
He forgot it in the second

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« Reply #140 on: June 14, 2024, 07:29:44 pm »
He forgot it in the second
No that HR means he is back to normal!

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #141 on: June 14, 2024, 07:30:53 pm »
Third inning, but yhes

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« Reply #142 on: June 14, 2024, 09:19:24 pm »
With the improvement of Gore, the crazy turnaround Williams had before his injury, and the out-of-nowhere developments of Irvin and Parker, I’m hoping Gray can make a nice leap once he’s healthy and shakes the rust off.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #143 on: June 15, 2024, 08:48:41 am »
Gray's overall line wasn't bad last night. 4 IP 4H 1 ER on the 1HR 0 BB I think 2 K. He'll get another rehab start.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #144 on: June 15, 2024, 10:24:20 am »
Eh, 4 hits seems like a lot to me for an MLB pitcher against Double A talent. Kind of feel like maybe he needs more than one more rehab start.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #145 on: June 15, 2024, 10:36:22 am »
Gore is now the team leader in WAR

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #146 on: June 15, 2024, 12:18:09 pm »
Gotta get Doo involved. (It's a fact in my mind that all the pitching staff success is because of Doo.)

With the improvement of Gore, the crazy turnaround Williams had before his injury, and the out-of-nowhere developments of Irvin and Parker, I’m hoping Gray can make a nice leap once he’s healthy and shakes the rust off.

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« Reply #147 on: June 15, 2024, 01:49:36 pm »
Gotta get Doo involved. (It's a fact in my mind that all the pitching staff success is because of Doo.)

I can't say it's a fact the improvement of the pitchers is all because of Doo but I suspect he's had a lot to do with it. I gotta believe some team is going to go after Doo in the off-season to make him their pitching coach. I saw an article that said Doo and his wife love DC and want to remain living in the city. Hopefully he will be  here for the long run.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #148 on: June 15, 2024, 05:04:48 pm »
Gotta get Doo involved. (It's a fact in my mind that all the pitching staff success is because of Doo.)

Circumstantial evidence certainly points to Doo.  It’s been a huge development taking the weakness of this franchise to a strength.  Being able to fill the rotation with quality cost-controlled arms and having the depth to backfill for injuries and when guys hit free agency is huge.  I’d much rather spend on locking up position players.

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Re: The Rotation: 2024
« Reply #149 on: June 15, 2024, 05:11:28 pm »
I know it’s the Marlins but DJ has been very, very impressive.

Gore
Irvin
Parker
Gray
Cavalli
Herz

That’s a nice young rotation for next year, and I’m not convinced we need to sign a major FA to add to it.  Brad Lord could be the next out-of-nowhere guy in the system to emerge next year for added depth.  When Gore and Gray hit free agency, young arms like Syorka, Susana, Bennett, and anyone else drafted in the next few years could emerge.