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he's heating up since about a week after his recall. .884 OPS since 6/5 not including today. he actually hit his first over the wall homer earlier in the week.

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he's heating up since about a week after his recall. .884 OPS since 6/5 not including today. he actually hit his first over the wall homer earlier in the week.
Sure would be nice to have that on a fringe WC team desperate for offense . . .

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Sure would be nice to have that on a fringe WC team desperate for offense . . .

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Skenes watches the first ball he thows today go into the RF stands, but that was the only run he allowed. Threw 98 pitches over seven, his last pitch was 102 MPH for a K. 6H, 8Ks 1BB. 69 strikes.


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The really sad part of not drafting Skenes is that we don’t get to see Olivia Dunne at the games.

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Skenes watches the first ball he thows today go into the RF stands, but that was the only run he allowed. Threw 98 pitches over seven, his last pitch was 102 MPH for a K. 6H, 8Ks 1BB. 69 strikes.



I just get no enjoyment out of watching him play. It just speaks to how stupid a draft lottery in baseball is. Again, literally one of the worst offenders of not trying to win were awarded by a system that was put in place to prevent tanking. The Pirates don't even just tank, they don't attempt to win at all. So what was accomplished? Manfred basically screwed the team that has already been royally screwed by the MASN deal and covid after winning the World Series to award a team that doesn't care. So while I think Skenes is an amazing talent it just pisses me off knowing he should be here.

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I just get no enjoyment out of watching him play. It just speaks to how stupid a draft lottery in baseball is. Again, literally one of the worst offenders of not trying to win were awarded by a system that was put in place to prevent tanking. The Pirates don't even just tank, they don't attempt to win at all. So what was accomplished? Manfred basically screwed the team that has already been royally screwed by the MASN deal and covid after winning the World Series to award a team that doesn't care. So while I think Skenes is an amazing talent it just pisses me off knowing he should be here.

They basically have the same record as the Nats. Do you think the Nats have been trying to win the past few years? Take out the Strasburg contract and the teams basically have the same payroll. Low payroll and trading off stats. Seems like a tank to me.

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Until the pick was announced there was not a lot of certainty as to who was going #1. Lots of pundits had Pittsburgh taking Crews.

So far Skenes has been Strasburg 2.0, but Crews is a pretty nice consolation prize IMHO. I still think Crews ends up as Rendon 2.0, but with a passion for the game.

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Until the pick was announced there was not a lot of certainty as to who was going #1. Lots of pundits had Pittsburgh taking Crews.

So far Skenes has been Strasburg 2.0, but Crews is a pretty nice consolation prize IMHO. I still think Crews ends up as Rendon 2.0, but with a passion for the game.
they probably would have taken Crews, but IIRC they wanted the choice to take below slot and Crews refused.

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Skenes will undoubtedly miss a year or more with TJS. The Pirates will never sign him so the Nats can make a trade and/or sign him as a free agent down the road. You know when the Lerners are spending big again.

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Skenes will undoubtedly miss a year or more with TJS. The Pirates will never sign him so the Nats can make a trade and/or sign him as a free agent down the road. You know when the Lerners are spending big again.
Maybe Gerrit Cole 2.0 is a better comp?

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Maybe Gerrit Cole 2.0 is a better comp?
Maybe. You really never know with pitchers and health. Let’s see where he is in three years.

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They basically have the same record as the Nats. Do you think the Nats have been trying to win the past few years? Take out the Strasburg contract and the teams basically have the same payroll. Low payroll and trading off stats. Seems like a tank to me.

While true we also spent like 10 years being one of the best teams in baseball and Ted spent. We consistently had high payrolls and that's doing so while being saddled with funding the Orioles as well. I mean, according to most here they made Soto a competitive offer to stay. I don't see the Pirates offering what the Lerners did to anyone. And when we're back on our way to being a winning team the Pirates will be looking to offload Skenes and whoever else so they can avoid paying and will be right back in the top 5 of the draft being gifted prospects they have no intentions of ever keeping around.

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While true we also spent like 10 years being one of the best teams in baseball and Ted spent. We consistently had high payrolls and that's doing so while being saddled with funding the Orioles as well. I mean, according to most here they made Soto a competitive offer to stay. I don't see the Pirates offering what the Lerners did to anyone. And when we're back on our way to being a winning team the Pirates will be looking to offload Skenes and whoever else so they can avoid paying and will be right back in the top 5 of the draft being gifted prospects they have no intentions of ever keeping around.
So if they have no intention of keeping them it’s good for other teams. It’s just hard for me to get worked up about the lottery after the Nats snagged two generational players in a row. I would rather compare to the good organizations. Like the Braves who haven’t drafted high but still find and develop top talent.

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So if they have no intention of keeping them it’s good for other teams. It’s just hard for me to get worked up about the lottery after the Nats snagged two generational players in a row. I would rather compare to the good organizations. Like the Braves who haven’t drafted high but still find and develop top talent.

I mean, I agree but we're also stuck in one of the dumbest TV deals of any sports team. So not only did we get punished by losing out on the top pick for Skenes, we lost it again the following season because we can't participate in the lottery. So we can't really take advantage of the revenue this team could be generating on their own whilst also being punished for being in a major market meanwhile a team like Pittsburgh that spends a decade or more not even attempting to win can take advantage. Its just stupid. The whole thing. The owners don't want the team but can't sell the team because nobody wants to be stuck in the MASN deal and yet we're punished by not being allowed to be in the top 10 two years in a row but also fund Baltimore so we can't operate like a major market team and sign our big name players back lol.

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I mean, I agree but we're also stuck in one of the dumbest TV deals of any sports team. So not only did we get punished by losing out on the top pick for Skenes, we lost it again the following season because we can't participate in the lottery. So we can't really take advantage of the revenue this team could be generating on their own whilst also being punished for being in a major market meanwhile a team like Pittsburgh that spends a decade or more not even attempting to win can take advantage. Its just stupid. The whole thing. The owners don't want the team but can't sell the team because nobody wants to be stuck in the MASN deal and yet we're punished by not being allowed to be in the top 10 two years in a row but also fund Baltimore so we can't operate like a major market team and sign our big name players back lol.
A salary floor in baseball would help with this. You can’t really do anything now about teams that won’t compete. The MASN thing is a mess but the team has been paid now. More concerned if the ownership will spend on players and player development.

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A salary floor in baseball would help with this.

And enough of the revenue hammock loungers appeared to band together at the last CBA to prevent that, even with the purveyor of the piece of metal evidently having powers under the best interest of baseball clause to potentially impact that. Not holding my breath for that change, even at the next labor back-and-forth.

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And enough of the revenue hammock loungers appeared to band together at the last CBA to prevent that, even with the purveyor of the piece of metal evidently having powers under the best interest of baseball clause to potentially impact that. Not holding my breath for that change, even at the next labor back-and-forth.
Royals would be ineligible for the lottery this year I think. Would be third year in a row. So they spent this winter and are now doing well. Not sure where the As stand? I think the rules are having some impact. More impact on Nats as non revenue sharing team that has been acting like a revenue sharing team. The Lerners have the money to spend. They did so previously even though the MASN deal impacted them. I think they are satisfied with one title and now want to be frugal. Can’t blame the MASN deal. It was there when they bought the team.

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Royals would be ineligible for the lottery this year I think. Would be third year in a row. So they spent this winter and are now doing well. Not sure where the As stand? I think the rules are having some impact. More impact on Nats as non revenue sharing team that has been acting like a revenue sharing team. The Lerners have the money to spend. They did so previously even though the MASN deal impacted them. I think they are satisfied with one title and now want to be frugal. Can’t blame the MASN deal. It was there when they bought the team.

Where is the list of revenue-sharing teams? The Nats could not draft higher than 10th in this year's first round...because they a revenue-sharing, I thought.

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Royals would be ineligible for the lottery this year I think. Would be third year in a row. So they spent this winter and are now doing well. Not sure where the As stand? I think the rules are having some impact. More impact on Nats as non revenue sharing team that has been acting like a revenue sharing team. The Lerners have the money to spend. They did so previously even though the MASN deal impacted them. I think they are satisfied with one title and now want to be frugal. Can’t blame the MASN deal. It was there when they bought the team.

It was there when they bought the team but you can't ignore the fact for example the difference in what the Phillies get in TV money to what the Nationals get pays for Harper and Trea Turner with $10 million left over.
The difference in what the Nationals get in TV money and what the Dodgers and Yankees get pays for just about their whole team salary.
It's probably too late to do anything about it now but MLB should of never let this happen.

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Where is the list of revenue-sharing teams? The Nats could not draft higher than 10th in this year's first round...because they a revenue-sharing, I thought.
I might have the terminology mixed up. The Nats are with the rich teams. Not with the poor like the Royals or Pirates.

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It was there when they bought the team but you can't ignore the fact for example the difference in what the Phillies get in TV money to what the Nationals get pays for Harper and Trea Turner with $10 million left over.
The difference in what the Nationals get in TV money and what the Dodgers and Yankees get pays for just about their whole team salary.
It's probably too late to do anything about it now but MLB should of never let this happen.
Even if they get their own rights the Nats will never be close to the TV revenue from those teams. They probably should have three groups. The rich. The middle class where the Nats would fall. And the poor.

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Royals would be ineligible for the lottery this year I think. Would be third year in a row. So they spent this winter and are now doing well. Not sure where the As stand? I think the rules are having some impact. More impact on Nats as non revenue sharing team that has been acting like a revenue sharing team. The Lerners have the money to spend. They did so previously even though the MASN deal impacted them. I think they are satisfied with one title and now want to be frugal. Can’t blame the MASN deal. It was there when they bought the team.

They spent pre-covid before Ted died and before commercial real estate took a massive hit. Most of these owners don't like to spend out of their own pocket on players. They spend based on what the team generates or even less than that. Ted simply didn't care. He was running out of time and he couldn't take the money with him but the rest of them, they don't want to spend. Hell, they don't even want the team as evidenced by them trying to sell it. So we're stuck being listed as a high revenue team whilst not actually being so because of how stupid MASN is structured while being stuck with an ownership group that doesn't want the team but can't sell for market value because of MASN.

Instead of instituting a draft lottery, the league should've created a salary cap and floor. Not a luxury tax system that doesn't effect the big boys at all really. A team like the Dodgers should not exist. Its beyond stupid that they have like 4 $300M+ contracts on their roster. And they'll be in the running for Soto as well. They might not get him but they will be in the running for him. The whole system is a joke. When you have Ken Rosenthal writing articles having to defend a system that allows a team like the Dodgers to exist you know you have a problem. 

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The Nationals revenue is over 300 million. Payroll could double and the Lerners still wouldnt have to dip into their pockets