Author Topic: Will the Real Joey Meneses Please Stand Up? (2024)  (Read 1941 times)

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Offline nobleisthyname

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Nope. The magic ran out. Fully okay with DFAing him.

Wouldn't even have to, he still has options.

Offline IanRubbish

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He's playing because and batting in the top half of the order because there aren't right options to balance the lefty bats on this team.

That might be the worst argument I've heard for playing him.  You can get the same thing from Carter Kieboom playing 1B or DH and at least he'll walk and get on base a little more frequently.

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Great run. Good value. Time to drop him to Rochester or cut.

Offline Five Banners

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Great run. Good value. Time to drop him to Rochester or cut.

Seems worth a chance to reboot in the minors

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Seems worth a chance to reboot in the minors

Might be the right thing to do, but doubt they'll do that.   

Offline Count Walewski

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What's the downside of keeping fan favorite Joey Meneses up? What prospect is he blocking? What deep playoff run is he preventing? It's fun when he gets a big hit against a much better team.

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What's the downside of keeping fan favorite Joey Meneses up? What prospect is he blocking? What deep playoff run is he preventing? It's fun when he gets a big hit against a much better team.

If you cut Meneses you could call up Millas to be the everyday catcher and platoon Ruiz and Adams at DH. Or give Blankenhorn a shot.


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I'm all for giving Blankenhorn a shot at some point, but this team is desperate for righty bats.

Meneses could be optioned to Rochester. Regardles of where he is, what he probably needs most is some work on elevating the ball. His exit velo is not bad, right around MLB average, but his launch angle is 7.9% vs MLB average of 13%. his hard hit % is slightly above average, but he is killing a lot of worms with 50 GB% (vs MLB average of 42.7%). He hits up the middle, just as Davey likes, but that's the hardest spot to put one out when he does get it in the air.  A guy with 60 wRC+ should not be hitting 3rd or 4th in an effective line up. But the Nats . . .

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I'm all for giving Blankenhorn a shot at some point, but this team is desperate for righty bats.

Meneses could be optioned to Rochester. Regardles of where he is, what he probably needs most is some work on elevating the ball. His exit velo is not bad, right around MLB average, but his launch angle is 7.9% vs MLB average of 13%. his hard hit % is slightly above average, but he is killing a lot of worms with 50 GB% (vs MLB average of 42.7%). He hits up the middle, just as Davey likes, but that's the hardest spot to put one out when he does get it in the air.  A guy with 60 wRC+ should not be hitting 3rd or 4th in an effective line up. But the Nats . . .

Persuasive argument. Let Meneses styraighten his swing in Rochester.

However, Blankenhorn had his chance last season and could not hit in the majors. He is not hitting in Rochester, either. He's hiotting .236.

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Persuasive argument. Let Meneses styraighten his swing in Rochester.

However, Blankenhorn had his chance last season and could not hit in the majors. He is not hitting in Rochester, either. He's hiotting .236.
hot April, bad May for TB. He did OK last season but got hurt then I think he was sent down to make room for ??????

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hot April, bad May for TB. He did OK last season but got hurt then I think he was sent down to make room for ??????

I just watched the last few innings of Rochester. Blankenhorn, 0 - 5, looked almost as bad as Call. Both struck out with the bases loaded and the game tied.

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If you cut Meneses you could call up Millas to be the everyday catcher and platoon Ruiz and Adams at DH. Or give Blankenhorn a shot.


Works for me.

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What's the downside of keeping fan favorite Joey Meneses up? What prospect is he blocking? What deep playoff run is he preventing? It's fun when he gets a big hit against a much better team.
It's fun when anybody gets a hit against a much better team.  Meneses is living off 2 good months, two years ago. 

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He has stood up. Time to dump Joey Gallo, who was a mistake.

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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/calculating-war-using-re24/

A bit of a retrospective on Joey Meneses's contribution to the Nats this season. Folks have talked about Meneses hitting with runners in scoring position as a defense for his being on the roster or, last year, comparing his offense to that of Dom Smith, who seemed remarkably unclutch. A lot of the drubbing Meneses took was for his basic stat line, like his triple slash line, OPS, or WAR.

Well, the linked article in a way highlights this split screen in the way to look at Meneses. RE24 (the change in run expectancy in the 24 base and out states from the beginning of a plate appearance to the end) is a way of looking at the outcomes of PAs in context. in the example provided in the article, a bases empty double changes the RE24 less than a double with 2 men on.

Meneses was notorious in a good way for singling with men on, especially with men on, 2 outs. As it turns out, when the article recalculates the offensive component of fWAR using RE24 rather than context-neutral offensive numbers, Meneses's fWAR improves by 0.96 (from -0.93 to 0.03). Meneses's jump in WAR puts him comfortably among the top 10 players' improvements in 2024, along with the leader, Brandon Nimmo and some stud contributors to contenders like Jose Ramirez, Adley Rutschman, and 2 members of the over-performing Royals, Bobby Witt Jr and Vinnie Pasquantino. Meneses is far and away the worst performer on the list as the only one with negative standard fWAR, and remains the worst using RE24 by over 1 WAR (to TJ Friedl).

tl;dr version - there's a way to measure just how much Meneses's performance with RISP made him more valuable than just looking at average, OBP, slugging, and homers.

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Has anybody had an explanation as to why when Joey first came up for half a season he had nice power numbers but didn't last year or this year? Something like pitchers figured out a weakness?

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Has anybody had an explanation as to why when Joey first came up for half a season he had nice power numbers but didn't last year or this year? Something like pitchers figured out a weakness?
he hit the ball hard but stopped elevating it. Why I don't know.

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PEDs stopped.

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PEDs stopped.
did have a track record in Japan, but that was 2 years before he got to DC. Also, he never stopped hitting the ball hard.

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https://blogs.fangraphs.com/calculating-war-using-re24/

A bit of a retrospective on Joey Meneses's contribution to the Nats this season. Folks have talked about Meneses hitting with runners in scoring position as a defense for his being on the roster or, last year, comparing his offense to that of Dom Smith, who seemed remarkably unclutch. A lot of the drubbing Meneses took was for his basic stat line, like his triple slash line, OPS, or WAR.

Well, the linked article in a way highlights this split screen in the way to look at Meneses. RE24 (the change in run expectancy in the 24 base and out states from the beginning of a plate appearance to the end) is a way of looking at the outcomes of PAs in context. in the example provided in the article, a bases empty double changes the RE24 less than a double with 2 men on.

Meneses was notorious in a good way for singling with men on, especially with men on, 2 outs. As it turns out, when the article recalculates the offensive component of fWAR using RE24 rather than context-neutral offensive numbers, Meneses's fWAR improves by 0.96 (from -0.93 to 0.03). Meneses's jump in WAR puts him comfortably among the top 10 players' improvements in 2024, along with the leader, Brandon Nimmo and some stud contributors to contenders like Jose Ramirez, Adley Rutschman, and 2 members of the over-performing Royals, Bobby Witt Jr and Vinnie Pasquantino. Meneses is far and away the worst performer on the list as the only one with negative standard fWAR, and remains the worst using RE24 by over 1 WAR (to TJ Friedl).

tl;dr version - there's a way to measure just how much Meneses's performance with RISP made him more valuable than just looking at average, OBP, slugging, and homers.
fascinating, thanks for sharing.

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