Boras Clients

[varoadking]

Another loss for Boras, Jordan Montgomery finally signs....a one year deal.

FSB...

[IanRubbish]

Jordan Montgomery fires Boras.   

https://nypost.com/2024/04/11/sports/jordan-montgomery-dumps-scott-boras-after-nightmare-offseason/

[OfftheBat]

Jordan Montgomery fires Boras.   

https://nypost.com/2024/04/11/sports/jordan-montgomery-dumps-scott-boras-after-nightmare-offseason/

That's great news, I guess for us fans...? Won't have to pay for Boras' artificially jacked up contracts for FA's in the future anymore?

[IanRubbish]

That's great news, I guess for us fans...? Won't have to pay for Boras' artificially jacked up contracts for FA's in the future anymore?

It's great for the game.  Boras' credibility is shot, and if you're a player, doesn't help to see someone like Snell miss ST, come out pitching atrociously as a result, all for a two year deal.  Have to think other players are thinking the same way Jordan Montgomery is.

It's also great for the Nats.  A Boras guy like MacKenzie Gore can leave in '28 if he wants, and would likely get the same 2 year, opt out after 1 deal that possibly reduces lifetime earnings vs. a reasonable 4 or 5 year deal that doesn't require missing ST. 

[Slateman]

That's great news, I guess for us fans...? Won't have to pay for Boras' artificially jacked up contracts for FA's in the future anymore?

No, you will. It'll just be a different agent. Lots of pitchers did.

The players getting stiffed in free agency is extremely bad for the game. At best, we're headed towards a work stoppage.

[HalfSmokes]

Soto will sign a record breaking contract and Boras will be fine.

[HalfSmokes]

It's great for the game.  Boras' credibility is shot, and if you're a player, doesn't help to see someone like Snell miss ST, come out pitching atrociously as a result, all for a two year deal.  Have to think other players are thinking the same way Jordan Montgomery is.

It's also great for the Nats.  A Boras guy like MacKenzie Gore can leave in '28 if he wants, and would likely get the same 2 year, opt out after 1 deal that possibly reduces lifetime earnings vs. a reasonable 4 or 5 year deal that doesn't require missing ST. 

He throws 97. Let’s wait until he’s into arbitration without needing TJ to worry about an extension

[nfotiu]

He throws 97. Let’s wait until he’s into arbitration without needing TJ to worry about an extension

That should all be part of the equation though, right?  Buy out the arbitration years, give him some long term security and insurance against injury, and he gives us a few free agent years.   Boras always chose to ignore the security portion, thinking it was much better for him to take 10 guys to free agency, even if one or two are busts due to performance/injury.   It's only better for Boras's agency and the 8 guys that it works out for.  Not so much for the 1-2 other guys.  I always assumed that Boras kept some kind of kitty to pay the guys who it didn't work out for.  Otherwise the risk/reward never made sense for the individual players.

There's no deal to be had if Gore sticks with Boras.   I'm sure he'd want a Boras special option laden deal that puts all the risk on the Nats, with no real benefit if Gore turns out to be a stud.   If guys like him leave Boras though, then there could be a deal that makes sense.

[HalfSmokes]

I was listening to a podcast talking about pitcher injuries and increased velocity moving down to even the youth levels. So many young guys are just throwing way too hard for their bodies. I think the end result will be pitchers getting treated like running backs. In the short term, they are incredibly valuable, but most will blow up long before they have to get paid

[imref]

I was listening to a podcast talking about pitcher injuries and increased velocity moving down to even the youth levels. So many young guys are just throwing way too hard for their bodies. I think the end result will be pitchers getting treated like running backs. In the short term, they are incredibly valuable, but most will blow up long before they have to get paid

A friend of mine's son was a LHP at D1 school. By the time he was 21 he had two shoulder surgeries and TJ. He ended up losing his scholarship because he never fully recovered. He did everything he could to get back on the mound, and battled severe depression when he realized his career was over.

Still, i'm sure he would do it all over again.

[nfotiu]

I was listening to a podcast talking about pitcher injuries and increased velocity moving down to even the youth levels. So many young guys are just throwing way too hard for their bodies. I think the end result will be pitchers getting treated like running backs. In the short term, they are incredibly valuable, but most will blow up long before they have to get paid

It's definitely true, and it really does suck for this baseball fan.   I've spent so many years looking at the day's pitching matchups, looking at my team's scheduled pitchers for the week to see which games I cared about watching or trying to go to.   Taking away starting pitchers at part of the attraction leaves a big hole in the entertainment value for me, and I'm guessing a lot of others.

[imref]

James Wood is a Boras client unfortunately.

[HalfSmokes]

A friend of mine's son was a LHP at D1 school. By the time he was 21 he had two shoulder surgeries and TJ. He ended up losing his scholarship because he never fully recovered. He did everything he could to get back on the mound, and battled severe depression when he realized his career was over.

Still, i'm sure he would do it all over again.

Kids who want it will push themselves. It just sucks that pitching coaches are working with kids so aggressively. Speeds that would have gotten a kid drafted 20 years ago aren’t even D1 now

[IanRubbish]

I always assumed that Boras kept some kind of kitty to pay the guys who it didn't work out for.

He sends them to the Nats

[OfftheBat]

It's great for the game.  Boras' credibility is shot, and if you're a player, doesn't help to see someone like Snell miss ST, come out pitching atrociously as a result, all for a two year deal.  Have to think other players are thinking the same way Jordan Montgomery is.

It's also great for the Nats.  A Boras guy like MacKenzie Gore can leave in '28 if he wants, and would likely get the same 2 year, opt out after 1 deal that possibly reduces lifetime earnings vs. a reasonable 4 or 5 year deal that doesn't require missing ST.

No, you will. It'll just be a different agent. Lots of pitchers did.

The players getting stiffed in free agency is extremely bad for the game. At best, we're headed towards a work stoppage.

Interesting takes... I'm eager to see what'll happen in the next few offseasons.

[IanRubbish]

After last season's disasters, Boras is trying a new tactic here with a top client doing an in-season signing with the player's existing team.  Not a great move by the Giants, but also not a remarkably shocking amount.  Looks a little desperate for both Boras and the Giants.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5747565/2024/09/05/matt-chapman-giants-extension-scott-boras/

[nobleisthyname]

Giants were probably tired of whiffing on free agents. Feels like an overpay but not a massive one.

[Slateman]

Giants were probably tired of whiffing on free agents. Feels like an overpay but not a massive one.

Seems pretty massive to me. That contract will take him through his age 37 season. Seems like a lot to pay for a guy with hip issues that relies on power and plays in a power-sapping park

Boras strikes again.

[IanRubbish]

Boras strikes again.

I wouldn't say he strikes again, that would have required signing Chapman til he was 40 with a total contract value pushing $300 million.  Rather, he's doing things differently than he has in the past to set himself up for success with Bregman and especially Soto.  If I'm a GM, I smell fear.  Took 25 years, but Boras realizes much of the league has figured him out.   At the same time, I also respect that he's making adjustments.  That's the big problem with how this team is run, the GM, manager and coaches are too inept,  too unaware of data, too unaware of modern analytic tools to make adjustments, and instead just let things fall apart while they expect different results for doing the same things.

[OfftheBat]

Giants were probably tired of whiffing on free agents. Feels like an overpay but not a massive one.

Most Jays fans online are saying that this was a major overpay

[Slateman]

Most Jays fans online are saying that this was a major overpay

The Jays offered 125 million so ... yea, Boras wins again.

[Smithian]

I've seen worse extensions than Matt Chapman's. In this era of constantly seeing extensions that leave me shocked, this seems fine for both sides. They want to keep him and it would only take a single suitor to drive up the price.

To play hypotheticals, I could easily see a team with salary flexibility, a young core, and a hole at 3B signing him as a way to announce they wanted to compete again. Let's say the Lerners wanted to make a big splash this offseason, sort of a 2020's Jayson Werth, he would have made sense. I don't blame the Giants for locking him in early.

[Natsinpwc]

I don;t understand it from the SF side.  They are not a contender and no path forward. 

[Slateman]

I don;t understand it from the SF side.  They are not a contender and no path forward. 

Maybe they're willing to spend more in free agency?

To be honest, I dont either.

[HalfSmokes]

I don;t understand it from the SF side.  They are not a contender and no path forward. 

They are about to have a massive and rich market to themselves. Maybe they're planning on going dodgers with their payroll