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« Reply #125 on: January 29, 2025, 09:32:08 pm »
Lerners just freakin sign Bregman and anoint him our Werth. You will get the ROI in increased attendance ,jersey sales and concessions. 6 / 180 but it’s not my money.

Do it, Lerners. Bregman would take care of 3B for the next several years, and then could handle 1B.

Further, maybe the Lerners would get their $3 billion (or whatever their magic number is) if they had a winning team again.

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« Reply #126 on: January 30, 2025, 10:31:24 am »
Do it, Lerners. Bregman would take care of 3B for the next several years, and then could handle 1B.

Further, maybe the Lerners would get their $3 billion (or whatever their magic number is) if they had a winning team again.
They aren't going to spend long-term money on 3B with House waiting in the wings (and probably up this year).

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« Reply #127 on: February 03, 2025, 11:33:37 am »
Me too...

Why?? We gave 7 years and 121 M to Werth in 2011 and Bregman is a much better player. I remember starting a thread in Werths first year here that called for him to be benched. I don’t care if Bregman last two years here are on decline. As for House being ready for anything other than a token appearance this season is a fantasy. See the recent post on him in the Farm thread.

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« Reply #128 on: February 03, 2025, 01:43:18 pm »
Why?? We gave 7 years and 121 M to Werth in 2011 and Bregman is a much better player. I remember starting a thread in Werths first year here that called for him to be benched. I don’t care if Bregman last two years here are on decline. As for House being ready for anything other than a token appearance this season is a fantasy. See the recent post on him in the Farm thread.

Is Bregman that much better than Werth? Bregman had a .768 OPS last season while Werth had a .921 OPS the season before we signed him. A lot of Bregman's value comes from playing at the Astros' stadium too so you can expect him to be worse away from there.

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« Reply #129 on: February 03, 2025, 01:56:27 pm »
Is Bregman that much better than Werth? Bregman had a .768 OPS last season while Werth had a .921 OPS the season before we signed him. A lot of Bregman's value comes from playing at the Astros' stadium too so you can expect him to be worse away from there.

He's been pretty consistent both at home and away:
Home: .270 / .369 / .477
Away: .274 / .362 /.488

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« Reply #130 on: February 03, 2025, 02:07:04 pm »
He's been pretty consistent both at home and away:
Home: .270 / .369 / .477
Away: .274 / .362 /.488

Interesting, I could have sworn I saw he was significantly better at home. Thanks for the correction.

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« Reply #131 on: February 06, 2025, 03:59:31 pm »
Boras not able to repeat his early offseason success with Alonso.  Will be interesting to see what he ends up getting for Bregman.

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« Reply #132 on: February 06, 2025, 04:07:33 pm »
Isn’t $27 million a year pretty good for a one dimensional player? Last year everyone said this about Snell and then he landed a big contract this year. 

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« Reply #133 on: February 06, 2025, 04:20:30 pm »
Isn’t $27 million a year pretty good for a one dimensional player? Last year everyone said this about Snell and then he landed a big contract this year.

He turned down a 7 year extension a couple years ago, and couldn't get anywhere near the 6 years/$200 million Boras was hoping for.  He's very likely to opt out next year unless he has a miserable '25, so this is like Boras punting and saying let's try again in '26. 

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« Reply #134 on: February 06, 2025, 05:20:47 pm »
Isn’t $27 million a year pretty good for a one dimensional player? Last year everyone said this about Snell and then he landed a big contract this year. 
Yep. Alonso will hit 40 homers behind Soto and be back to asking for big money.

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« Reply #135 on: February 06, 2025, 05:53:21 pm »
He turned down a 7 year extension a couple years ago, and couldn't get anywhere near the 6 years/$200 million Boras was hoping for.  He's very likely to opt out next year unless he has a miserable '25, so this is like Boras punting and saying let's try again in '26.
Wasn’t the seven year deal like $21 million a year?  I mean it might not work out but if he gets 5 years after this one at just $20 million a year he will be ahead of that original deal.  His game is based on hitting long balls. It’s not like he’s an athletic guy who is going to lose his speed. 

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« Reply #136 on: February 06, 2025, 06:22:50 pm »
I think the way the contract is is his first year he gets $30 million then can opt out. He goes year to year, but as long as he hits hrs, he'll do fine

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« Reply #137 on: February 06, 2025, 07:49:43 pm »
I think the way the contract is is his first year he gets $30 million then can opt out. He goes year to year, but as long as he hits hrs, he'll do fine

It's basically a 1 year, $30 million contract, which isn't much more than he would have gotten accepting a qualifying offer.  It's a big bust for Boras because he gets paid on total contract value, so Alonso needs to have a great year to get better offers next year when he'll be 31.

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« Reply #138 on: February 06, 2025, 08:00:57 pm »
I’m not sure what you mean about total contract value. Boras will get his percentage of what Alonso makes this year. And then he will make a percentage of what he makes future years just like any other player. No reason to think he won’t be playing another 5 or 6 years after this.  Are you trying to say agents get their percentage of a total contract up front?  That’s really hard to believe. In any event he’s likely to have a bounce back year and get a nice deal after the season. 

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« Reply #139 on: February 06, 2025, 08:50:04 pm »
For some reason, Alonso reminds me of Mark Trumbo.

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« Reply #140 on: February 07, 2025, 08:47:37 am »
It's basically a 1 year, $30 million contract, which isn't much more than he would have gotten accepting a qualifying offer.  It's a big bust for Boras because he gets paid on total contract value, so Alonso needs to have a great year to get better offers next year when he'll be 31.
except he has an insurance policy if he has  the offensive equivalent of Jordan Montgomery instead of Blake Snell

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« Reply #141 on: February 07, 2025, 08:52:51 am »
For some reason, Alonso reminds me of Mark Trumbo.
Alonso has had 3 or so peak Trumbo years

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« Reply #142 on: February 25, 2025, 11:47:24 am »
https://www.si.com/mlb/nationals/news/nationals-star-second-baseman-wants-long-term-contract-from-team

Luis Garcia left Boras and reportedly wants an extension. Get it done! :whip:

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« Reply #143 on: February 25, 2025, 11:51:34 am »
https://www.si.com/mlb/nationals/news/nationals-star-second-baseman-wants-long-term-contract-from-team

Luis Garcia left Boras and reportedly wants an extension. Get it done! :whip:


I like Garcia but shouldn't we extend Crews or Wood instead? Even though they are Boras clients, surely the Lerners could afford ONE of these two?

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« Reply #144 on: February 25, 2025, 12:17:38 pm »

I like Garcia but shouldn't we extend Crews or Wood instead? Even though they are Boras clients, surely the Lerners could afford ONE of these two?
I think we have a better idea of what Luis Garcia is. And his contract would be less than half of what one of Crews or Wood would be.

I would like to see an aggressive extension of James Wood or Dylan Crews, but I don't see it happening. James Wood seems to be from a successful family and received a $2 million signing bonus when drafted, Crews $9 million. Neither is hurting, and I assume Boras has ways to help keep a guy like Wood from not blinking at big money.

I recognize both Wood and Crews have unlimited potential. But I'm not ready to hand them the bank before I see a bit more on the field. And neither of those guys are betting against themselves with some money in the bank.

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« Reply #145 on: February 25, 2025, 12:25:38 pm »
The only way to extend Boras guys like Wood and Crews is to give a ridiculously player friendly extension with player opt outs that put all the risk on the team for maybe an extra year or two of team control.   Guys like that, you just realize you have them for their 6 or whatever years of team control.   Enjoy that those last 3 years should be their peak years.   If the team isn't looking like they'll contend the last year, then trade them.   There's no good reason to think of a Boras guy any differently than that (cheap owners or not).

If a guy is ditching Boras looking for an extension, then we better do it though.

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« Reply #146 on: February 25, 2025, 12:37:11 pm »
The only way to extend Boras guys like Wood and Crews is to give a ridiculously player friendly extension with player opt outs that put all the risk on the team for maybe an extra year or two of team control.   Guys like that, you just realize you have them for their 6 or whatever years of team control.   Enjoy that those last 3 years should be their peak years.   If the team isn't looking like they'll contend the last year, then trade them.   There's no good reason to think of a Boras guy any differently than that (cheap owners or not).

If a guy is ditching Boras looking for an extension, then we better do it though.
I agree here. Unless a player simply wants to spend their career somewhere, a possible superstar isn't signing a long term contract extension that is team friendly. The Braves are a weird exception.

If James Wood has a really good year, I think he Nationals should try to extend him. I just won't hold my breath.

Luis Garcia level guys are where I prefer early extensions. He had a great season, seemingly has a new approach, let's sign him up before he gets to free agency. A bit of a bet on our part, but not a dangerous one like handing a multi hundred million dollar deal to ap layer with less than a year of MLB service.

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« Reply #147 on: February 25, 2025, 01:55:46 pm »

I like Garcia but shouldn't we extend Crews or Wood instead? Even though they are Boras clients, surely the Lerners could afford ONE of these two?

Why would you extend someone who has less than one full MLB season and a .216 BA during their limited time in the Bigs, or someone who has yet to show that they can field their position?

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« Reply #148 on: February 25, 2025, 02:11:22 pm »
Why would you extend someone who has less than one full MLB season and a .216 BA during their limited time in the Bigs, or someone who has yet to show that they can field their position?
Lol, wat

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« Reply #149 on: February 25, 2025, 02:20:13 pm »
Why would you extend someone who has less than one full MLB season and a .216 BA during their limited time in the Bigs, or someone who has yet to show that they can field their position?

Because the nats are a poverty franchise. By the time anyone earns an extension, they’re out of the nats’ price range