Author Topic: Nats will not extend DeJohn Watson (& a bunch more) (Read 4595 times)

welch · « **on:** October 02, 2023, 09:09:24 pm »

This cannot be good.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/10/02/de-jon-watson-nationals-player-development/

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2023, 09:13:57 pm »

I am as skeptical as anyone else about the Lerners putting the money into drafting and development. But do we have any reason to think this guy was good at his job?

hotshot · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2023, 09:22:50 pm »

Well, the Orioles are the current Gold Standard so maybe look to that organization for new blood in Scouting & Dev?

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2023, 09:28:08 pm »

Orioles. Rays. Astros. Yankees. Reds.

Senatorswin · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2023, 10:25:27 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on October 02, 2023, 09:28:08 pm

Orioles. Rays. Astros. Yankees. Reds.

I would add Dodgers.

welch · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2023, 10:38:04 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on October 02, 2023, 09:28:08 pm

Orioles. Rays. Astros. Yankees. Reds.

I would subtract Yankees. MLB and Fangraphs rank their farm system 20th and 25th.

Slateman · « **Reply #6 on:** October 03, 2023, 07:35:07 am »

Quote from: hotshot on October 02, 2023, 09:22:50 pm

Well, the Orioles are the current Gold Standard so maybe look to that organization for new blood in Scouting & Dev?

Will the Lerners let Rizzo hire anyone?

IanRubbish · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2023, 11:47:38 am »

The dysfunctional cheapness continues. What’s next, fire all the grounds crew and train some squirrels to take care of the field?

Five Banners · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2023, 11:53:54 am »

Quote from: IanRubbish on October 03, 2023, 11:47:38 am

The dysfunctional cheapness continues. What’s next, fire all the grounds crew and train some squirrels to take care of the field?

Goats and sheep, because ‘sustainable’. Team shepherds can also do some shearing and knit up some team store gear.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2023, 12:04:19 pm »

Quote from: Five Banners on October 03, 2023, 11:53:54 am

Goats and sheep, because ‘sustainable’. Team shepherds can also do some shearing and knit up some team store gear.

You’re hired!

Slateman · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2023, 12:21:41 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on October 03, 2023, 11:47:38 am

The dysfunctional cheapness continues. What’s next, fire all the grounds crew and train some squirrels to take care of the field?

I actually wanna see that

HondoKillebrew · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2023, 10:34:17 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on October 02, 2023, 09:13:57 pm

I am as skeptical as anyone else about the Lerners putting the money into drafting and development. But do we have any reason to think this guy was good at his job?

That’s the question. I’m not thrilled at some of the actions by ownership recently but I don’t have enough info to evaluate some of the front office moves.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2023, 12:13:34 pm »

Quote

Watson was made a central figure of the rebuild, then lost his job amid a restructuring driven by the Lerner family’s desire to trim the organization’s budget. More cuts are coming in player development, a curious decision after the Lerners invested significantly in technology and staff increases in recent years. But the team remains for sale, which is another reason it keeps floating in the ether.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/10/03/nationals-rebuild-progress/

Slateman · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2023, 12:36:17 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on October 04, 2023, 12:13:34 pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/10/03/nationals-rebuild-progress/

And there it is. The Lerners arent interested in winning. They simply want to maximize the return on investment

This team is rebuilding until we get new ownership

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:09:19 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on October 04, 2023, 12:36:17 pm

And there it is. The Lerners arent interested in winning. They simply want to maximize the return on investment

This team is rebuilding until we get new ownership

thing is, canning Watson isn't even maximizing their cash flow or return on investment. I mean, the cheapest way to build value is through finding cheap talent. Look at the Os. Don't you think that Elias has been the best thing to happen to the Angelos's investment since . . .?

Five Banners · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:26:15 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on October 04, 2023, 01:09:19 pm

thing is, canning Watson isn't even maximizing their cash flow or return on investment. I mean, the cheapest way to build value is through finding cheap talent. Look at the Os. Don't you think that Elias has been the best thing to happen to the Angelos's investment since . . .?

And this is one sport where you could really build up value and actually make your product even more attractive to a buyer by doing so with a strategic investment in personnel.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:32:42 pm »

Can folks now stop with the delusional thinking that the Nats are going to sign a top of the order pitcher or a big bat for 1B. Next year will be another 70 win season at best. Just sell the team you cheap bastards.

Slateman · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:33:17 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on October 04, 2023, 01:09:19 pm

thing is, canning Watson isn't even maximizing their cash flow or return on investment. I mean, the cheapest way to build value is through finding cheap talent. Look at the Os. Don't you think that Elias has been the best thing to happen to the Angelos's investment since . . .?

Theyre not thinking of building value like that.

They're thinking that by cutting payroll, they maximize the profit in the sale. Winning doesnt matter. The team's value lays in its location and the potential fan base, not in the ability to perform on the field.

X is how much they spend, Y is how much they get for the sale.

Y - X = Profit. To increase profit, they need Y to increase or X to decrease. They tried to push Leonsis to raise Y and it failed. Now they're cutting to decrease X.

This is also why they are suddenly hemming and hawing about Strasburg. They want him to take less or defer the payout to a later date when they wont be responsible for X.

Slateman · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:33:35 pm »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on October 04, 2023, 01:32:42 pm

Can folks now stop with the delusional thinking that the Nats are going to sign a top of the order pitcher or a big bat for 1B. Next year will be another 70 win season at best. Just sell the team you cheap bastards.

Yep. Trading Soto was for nothing.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:34:38 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on October 04, 2023, 01:09:19 pm

thing is, canning Watson isn't even maximizing their cash flow or return on investment. I mean, the cheapest way to build value is through finding cheap talent. Look at the Os. Don't you think that Elias has been the best thing to happen to the Angelos's investment since . . .?

Just looking at short term cash flow and figure some other rich guy will come out of the woodwork to make the offer they want.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #20 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:35:05 pm »

My main concern is why would Rizzo sign up for the next 2-3 years if this was the business plan ? He could have sat out a year or wait until other GM / presidential positions opened with other franchises.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #21 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:35:35 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on October 04, 2023, 01:33:35 pm

Yep. Trading Soto was for nothing.

Just gotta hope Ted’s group ot another buyer steps up.

Slateman · « **Reply #22 on:** October 04, 2023, 01:38:56 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on October 04, 2023, 01:35:05 pm

My main concern is why would Rizzo sign up for the next 2-3 years if this was the business plan ? He could have sat out a year or wait until other GM / presidential positions opened with other franchises.

You're assuming he knew in the first place.

Slateman · « **Reply #23 on:** October 04, 2023, 02:38:29 pm »

Man, the more I read that and think about the last year, the less interested in this team I become. Quite frankly, I don't see any reason to make a financial investment of any kind into the team until ownership has changed.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #24 on:** October 04, 2023, 02:42:42 pm »

Quote from: Slateman on October 04, 2023, 01:38:56 pm

You're assuming he knew in the first place.

I cannot believe that Rizzo didn't ask the question about long term goals/ plans as the team was up for sale at lease 6 months prior or more to his signing.