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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #50: September 11, 2023, 08:36:44 PM »
the power was not projected even when he was a top 10 prospect
Was it projected for Trea?

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« Reply #51: September 11, 2023, 08:50:13 PM »
Was it projected for Trea?
More than CJ

Im waiting for the other shoe to drop

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« Reply #52: September 11, 2023, 08:53:38 PM »
the power was not projected even when he was a top 10 prospect

MLB pipeline had him with 50 grade power when he was ranked the 8th best prospect in baseball in 2021:

“The strength Abrams has added to his ultra-projectable frame since signing shows in his ability to drive the ball and do damage from the left side, and scouts now like his chances of developing at least average game power to go along with a plus bat. Abrams’ speed and penchant for making hard contact give him both a high ceiling and floor as a hitter.”

That’s obviously better than what anyone would’ve ever thrown on Gordon. Plus, he’s always been a super twitchy athlete with a frame that looked like it might be able to add decent strength, so I was always reticent to put a hard cap on his power projection.

I don’t see any reason why he can’t end up as impactful a player as Trea Turner is in a couple seasons.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #53: September 11, 2023, 08:57:06 PM »
More than CJ

Im waiting for the other shoe to drop

That same MLB Pipeline had Turner pegged for 40 grade power when he was the 11th ranked prospect in baseball in 2016. Not the end all be all obviously, but at least one service thought Abrams had a superior power ceiling.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #54: September 11, 2023, 09:02:44 PM »
3rd win in our last five

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #55: September 11, 2023, 09:03:07 PM »
MLB pipeline had him with 50 grade power when he was ranked the 8th best prospect in baseball in 2021:

“The strength Abrams has added to his ultra-projectable frame since signing shows in his ability to drive the ball and do damage from the left side, and scouts now like his chances of developing at least average game power to go along with a plus bat. Abrams’ speed and penchant for making hard contact give him both a high ceiling and floor as a hitter.”

That’s obviously better than what anyone would’ve ever thrown on Gordon. Plus, he’s always been a super twitchy athlete with a frame that looked like it might be able to add decent strength, so I was always reticent to put a hard cap on his power projection.

I don’t see any reason why he can’t end up as impactful a player as Trea Turner is in a couple seasons.
FWIW, FG's scouting report when he graduated had him as 30/50 Game Power, 45/55 Raw power, so I think the big surprise is he's hitting better than average power this young. It was sort of on the table as when he grew into his body, but this is way early.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #56: September 11, 2023, 09:03:49 PM »
That same MLB Pipeline had Turner pegged for 40 grade power when he was the 11th ranked prospect in baseball in 2016. Not the end all be all obviously, but at least one service thought Abrams had a superior power ceiling.
Turner was a lot slower to develop his power.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #57: September 11, 2023, 09:04:51 PM »
:w: !

Nice to win a game against easier competition. We've had a steady diet of playoff contenders (other than the Mets, who we split with).

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #58: September 11, 2023, 09:16:24 PM »
Turner was a lot slower to develop his power.
Eh, not really. Through his first 132 games, Turner had 18 homers. And it would have been sooner but Rizzo played games with his service time in 2016. Had 13 homers in 73 games

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #59: September 11, 2023, 09:28:39 PM »
Eh, not really. Through his first 132 games, Turner had 18 homers. And it would have been sooner but Rizzo played games with his service time in 2016. Had 13 homers in 73 games
true. not much age difference. CJ broke in a year younger. Turner had 25 HR through his first 198 games. CJ has 20 through 223. Throw out his age 21, and he's on the same pace. Very similar.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #60: September 11, 2023, 09:34:54 PM »
With the :w: posted, we honor our friend Old Chelsea with the traditional post that tracks the Nats wins to date, in Anglophile style.

THE RACING PRECEDENTS: Comparative dates on which the Nationals notched their 65th win of the season, each season:

2016 - 5th August (109th match of season)
2012 - 5th August (112th match)
2017 - 6th August (109th match)
2014 - 13th August (118th match)
2019 - 14th August (120th match)
2005 - 22nd August (124th match)
2018 - 26th August (131st match)
2015 - 29th August (128th match)
2013 - 29th August (129th match)
2011 - 5th September (139th match)
2007 - 10th September (144th match)
2023 - 11th September (144th match)
2006 - 17th September (145th match)
2010 - 23rd September (153rd match)
2021 - 27th September (157th match)
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2022- finished 55-107 (.340)
2009 - finished 59-103 (.364)
2008 - finished 59-102 (.366)
2020 - finished 26-34 (.433)

#65 was the last win of 2021, so it falls off the top table with win #66. After that, the Nats next win milestone is 2010 (69). Niiiiiiice.

This win is Davey 386th, moving him into sole possession of 4th among franchise managers. Frank Robinson slides into 4th. That's 2 Hall of Famers Davey has passed in a couple of weeks, the other being Dick Williams.

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #61: September 11, 2023, 09:40:24 PM »
true. not much age difference. CJ broke in a year younger. Turner had 25 HR through his first 198 games. CJ has 20 through 223. Throw out his age 21, and he's on the same pace. Very similar.
Except for average and defense

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #62: September 11, 2023, 09:52:14 PM »
Except for average and defense

What was Trea’s average as a 22 yr old again?

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #63: September 11, 2023, 10:43:35 PM »
What was Trea’s average as a 22 yr old again?
only had 44 ABs and hit .225 at 22. Much better at 23. :)

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Re: Nationals @ Pirates, Game 1
« Reply #64: September 11, 2023, 10:59:34 PM »
only had 44 ABs and hit .225 at 22. Much better at 23. :)

I had the numbers, it was one of those rhetorical questions lol

CJ will have to take a significant jump to match Trea’s age 23 season average, but so long as he gets to around .280, he’s still very much on a star trajectory imo.