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« Reply #175: August 13, 2024, 11:02:47 AM »
I don't think it's a bad idea to move Young to the 4th outfielder spot if that's the best way to construct the roster with the players on the team, but I'll be a bit annoyed if the Nats are benching a 2-3 WAR player while sub-replacement level players are starting every day (*cough* Ruiz *cough*).

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« Reply #176: August 13, 2024, 11:10:06 AM »
I assume Young keeps starting in CF after Crews comes up.

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« Reply #177: August 13, 2024, 11:21:18 AM »
I don't think it's a bad idea to move Young to the 4th outfielder spot if that's the best way to construct the roster with the players on the team, but I'll be a bit annoyed if the Nats are benching a 2-3 WAR player while sub-replacement level players are starting every day (*cough* Ruiz *cough*).
Yes. Don't go out and replace Jacob Young until you figure out how to approach C, 1B, 3B, and DH. Yepez is promising but needs to finish strong before we pencil him in for Opening Day '25, catcher is a mess, DH is wide open, and 3B is a bunch of intriguing minor league options who haven't done anything yet in the maors.

You replace someone like Jacob Young if a prospect like RHIII pops, otherwise put resources to more lacking spots.

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« Reply #178: August 13, 2024, 11:57:56 AM »
Yes. Don't go out and replace Jacob Young until you figure out how to approach C, 1B, 3B, and DH. Yepez is promising but needs to finish strong before we pencil him in for Opening Day '25, catcher is a mess, DH is wide open, and 3B is a bunch of intriguing minor league options who haven't done anything yet in the maors.

You replace someone like Jacob Young if a prospect like RHIII pops, otherwise put resources to more lacking spots.

Alex Call is the 4th OF. Hassell would be a nice surprise if he recovers from the wrist injuries enough to hit. That seems unlikely right now, so extend Young. Crews can play LF and move to CF in a rotation to rest the regulars.

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« Reply #179: August 13, 2024, 12:29:31 PM »
so extend Young

Young is under team control through the end of the '29 season when he will be 30 years old.

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« Reply #180: August 13, 2024, 02:30:00 PM »
If James Wood and Dylan Crews are who we hope they are, Jacob Young can be carried in CF and hitting #9.

If you have a player in the minors who pops or you see a value in the trade market, you make a move to replace Young. But I'm not expending resources replace a cost controlled CF who with minor offensive improvement could be a 3 to 4 WAR player., especially when DH and 3B are holes and you're not sure you if you have options at C and 1B.

See, I look at Crews and Wood and feel like, between them, you have above average to good defense in CF and RF. Which means you can leverage LF for a bat, and use young as a late game defensive replacement, and maybe platoon option against LHP.

To me it depends on what the difference is between Young and Crews' defense. I have a really hard time believing that Young is so much better that he makes up for not having an .800+ OPS in LF

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« Reply #181: August 13, 2024, 05:56:25 PM »
I think it may come down to playing Wood wherever he's most comfortable. If he truly is better in right than left, then Crews has to play center, which pushes Young back down to 4th OF. You should be able to get a corner outfielder who can bop so you may have a situation where you have the .800+ OPS guy.

Who knows - Maybe there's a team with a big hitting corner OF looking for a great defensive CF and willing to deal?

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« Reply #182: August 13, 2024, 06:03:30 PM »
I think it may come down to playing Wood wherever he's most comfortable. If he truly is better in right than left, then Crews has to play center, which pushes Young back down to 4th OF. You should be able to get a corner outfielder who can bop so you may have a situation where you have the .800+ OPS guy.

Who knows - Maybe there's a team with a big hitting corner OF looking for a great defensive CF and willing to deal?

There's also the DH spot to play with and possible platoon flexibility.  With no proven corner IF or catcher bats to eat up DH days, there's space to add a lefty hitting corner OF/DH, basically a better-than-Winker Winker.  No need for another CF given that Crews (assuming he does indeed make it) and Young can both play CF.  Thank god for no Pache in our future, even if he might be trying to complete the NL East Bingo card.

On a trade, you're more likely looking for a dumb and cheap team who needs a CF and might be willing to trade a pitcher.  Corner OFs are too easy to get in FA.

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« Reply #183: August 13, 2024, 06:37:15 PM »
See, I look at Crews and Wood and feel like, between them, you have above average to good defense in CF and RF. Which means you can leverage LF for a bat, and use young as a late game defensive replacement, and maybe platoon option against LHP.

To me it depends on what the difference is between Young and Crews' defense. I have a really hard time believing that Young is so much better that he makes up for not having an .800+ OPS in LF
I don’t think Young is irreplaceable. I just think if else are extending resources, I’d rather them extended in multiple other spots before they worry about CF.

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« Reply #184: August 14, 2024, 02:20:17 PM »
https://www.mlb.com/news/outfield-defense-is-better-than-ever-in-2024

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Jacob Young, Nationals

Young isn’t just having a strong defensive season, he’s having an elite one, leading the Major Leagues in Outs Above Average – making him highly likely to become just the 18th player to win a Gold Glove as a rookie. This, after not even making the Opening Day roster, as the Nationals chose to go with the defensively limited Eddie Rosario as a surprise center fielder.

It’s not with elite and crisp routes, that’s for sure – Washington’s rookie outfielder rates dead last in route-running, believe it or not. But he has the quickest reactions (feet covered in the first 1.5 seconds), and 97th percentile Sprint Speed, and ultimately he gets off to the best jumps in baseball (feet covered in the right direction in the first three seconds), just ahead of Varsho and Kevin Kiermaier – who we argued last summer was legitimately one of the best outfield defenders to ever live.

It’s all reminiscent of Jackie Bradley Jr., himself a long-time elite defender, who also prioritized outstanding reactions over line-perfect routes on his way to becoming one of the best defenders of his generation.

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« Reply #185: August 16, 2024, 11:13:08 AM »
The one highlight from last night - another notch in the case for a gold glove (and great job with the commentary):

https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1824265406133178447

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« Reply #186: August 16, 2024, 12:01:51 PM »
The one highlight from last night - another notch in the case for a gold glove (and great job with the commentary):

https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1824265406133178447


Wow, that's a good a catch as you're going to see.

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« Reply #187: August 19, 2024, 09:24:30 AM »
More Michael Baumann love for the Nationals on Fangraphs today, this time writing about Jacob Young:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/jacob-young-goes-to-find-some-better-wheels/

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Among Baseball Savant’s outfield defense metrics is “Jump,” or how much ground a defender travels in the right direction the first three seconds after contact. Young gets 3.8 more feet of a jump than the average outfielder, which is the best figure in baseball. This stat has three components: Reaction, burst, and route. Reaction is the distance covered in any direction in the first 1.5 seconds; burst is distance covered in the 1.5 seconds after that. Route debits the fielder for running more than the distance prescribed by a direct route.

Young is actually not a good route-runner, and his “burst” speed is above average but not league leading. The entire ballgame is in that first 1.5 seconds, in which Young travels 4.6 feet more than the average defender. Nobody else in the entire league is more than 2.4 feet above average...

....Young is basically league average in terms of actually running for 1.5 seconds. That means he’s making up all that ground and then some by being decisive.

Goes into Young's thought process on defense and how much work he puts in to developing his elite first step instincts.

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« Reply #188: August 19, 2024, 05:37:48 PM »
He is the most limited bit of offensive improvement from me struggling to believe we can replace an annual 3 WAR outfielder

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« Reply #189: August 27, 2024, 02:16:39 PM »
With his recent hot streak he's up to 2.7 fWAR. 10th amongst all major league CFers. Probably the best 4th outfielder in baseball.

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« Reply #190: August 27, 2024, 02:27:28 PM »
With his recent hot streak he's up to 2.7 fWAR. 10th amongst all major league CFers. Probably the best 4th outfielder in baseball.
.278/.328/.417 with a .319 BABIP in the second half. Might be something there

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« Reply #191: August 27, 2024, 02:42:01 PM »
With his recent hot streak he's up to 2.7 fWAR. 10th amongst all major league CFers. Probably the best 4th outfielder in baseball.
At 25, he's the old man in our current OF.

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« Reply #192: August 27, 2024, 03:43:21 PM »
I didn't have the feel that he's been doing this well 2d half, but that kind of offense can play any day with his D. I've felt his personal breakeven on offense is a .320 OBP. His ISO is way up to .139 over this stretch, so he's Kiermaier with a better OBP.

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« Reply #193: August 27, 2024, 05:01:26 PM »
I didn't have the feel that he's been doing this well 2d half, but that kind of offense can play any day with his D. I've felt his personal breakeven on offense is a .320 OBP. His ISO is way up to .139 over this stretch, so he's Kiermaier with a better OBP.
He would be great on a team with lots of pop. On the Nationals not so much. Time will tell.

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« Reply #194: August 27, 2024, 05:37:33 PM »
He would be great on a team with lots of pop. On the Nationals not so much. Time will tell.
he's a walk is as good as a double kind of base runner.

So far, he's out-homered Judge in this series while Judge has made more spectacular catches.  Explain the game to me.

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« Reply #195: August 27, 2024, 05:48:51 PM »
Young is doing fine. Look to improve 3B, 1B, the bullpen, and find a starting pitcher who is more like an ace than Gore...and find another, whether in-house ouit of Susana, Sykora, or externally.

Young in CF is the least to be worried about.

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« Reply #196: August 27, 2024, 06:10:19 PM »
Young is doing fine. Look to improve 3B, 1B, the bullpen, and find a starting pitcher who is more like an ace than Gore...and find another, whether in-house ouit of Susana, Sykora, or externally.
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Young in CF is the least to be worried about.
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« Reply #197: August 27, 2024, 09:31:08 PM »
He's going to be a presence for the next 5 years unless a prospect in the system pops. He's too effective defensively for it to be worth going and looking for an improvement when there will always be pitching needs.

He does have a bit of platoon split. If Nats think that is a real thing, maybe someday if Crews can hold up in CF they can pair Young with a lefty corner bat.

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« Reply #198: September 02, 2024, 11:08:49 AM »
Prior to the start of Sunday's games: NL WAR leaders among rookies:

1. Masyn Winn: 4.7
2. Paul Skenes: 4.7
3. Jackson Chourio: 3.3
4. Jackson Merrill: 3.2
5. Jacob Young: 3.0