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« Reply #150 on: June 24, 2024, 12:14:16 pm »
What is the runs prevented metric? The major ones are OAA, DRS, and UZR (though I don't know of any major sites that use UZR anymore).

Edit: Either way, Young has to be a favorite to win the gold glove at this point, unless his lack of hitting/prospect status hurts him.

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« Reply #151 on: June 24, 2024, 03:31:00 pm »
Nusbaum notes:
can someone explain to me how he could be #1 in runs prevented but only tied for 6th in DRS?
Defensive analytics are really weird. I think you have to go a full season to start seeing them really make sense. But those numbers together show he is really darn good in center.

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« Reply #152 on: June 24, 2024, 04:03:22 pm »
Nice bounce back weekend for him in Colorado.

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« Reply #153 on: July 29, 2024, 11:32:00 am »
Via TalkNats:

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The list of MLB players with at least a .250 AVG, 50 runs and 25 stolen bases this season: 

1. Shohei Ohtani (.314/82/27) 475 plate appearances
2. Elly De La Cruz (.263/70/55) 392 plate appearances
3. Jacob Young (.252/54/26)  334 plate appearances

Currently at 2.0 WAR, highest among position players on the team.

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« Reply #154 on: July 29, 2024, 12:26:39 pm »
Add his defense to the runs and stolen bases and he's a keeper.

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« Reply #155 on: July 29, 2024, 01:54:25 pm »
Add his defense to the runs and stolen bases and he's a keeper.

I think Young has changed the calculus on bringing up Crews. They will have to move Thomas somewhere to find a spot for Crews versus moving Young to a 4th OF role.

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« Reply #156 on: July 29, 2024, 02:35:30 pm »
Add his defense to the runs and stolen bases and he's a keeper.

I agree.  He works if you flank with him power + patient bats in RF and LF to balance out his strengths.  Having him out there with .600 OPS hitters like Eddie Rosario made little sense.

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« Reply #157 on: July 29, 2024, 02:36:08 pm »
I think Young has changed the calculus on bringing up Crews. They will have to move Thomas somewhere to find a spot for Crews versus moving Young to a 4th OF role.
well, the Winker deal opened up DH if Thomas is even with the team after the deadline, and all that assumes that Tuesday is Crewsday (or maybe Friday if they want to do the home-crowd thing again).

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« Reply #158 on: July 29, 2024, 02:37:38 pm »
I think Young has changed the calculus on bringing up Crews. They will have to move Thomas somewhere to find a spot for Crews versus moving Young to a 4th OF role.

Yeah, wherever they are, Wood, Crews, and Young need to play everyday.   A journeyman fourth outfielder like Alex Call fits in with them, a quality hitter and base stealer like Lane means either Crews or Young has to be in AAA.

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« Reply #159 on: July 29, 2024, 02:40:13 pm »
Yeah, wherever they are, Wood, Crews, and Young need to play everyday.   A journeyman fourth outfielder like Alex Call fits in with them, a quality hitter and base stealer like Lane means either Crews or Young has to be in AAA.
not sure why Lane can't DH. He's not that good of a defender.

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« Reply #160 on: July 29, 2024, 04:08:36 pm »
No need to have Call in the majors. He can't hit. Thomas can DH and play OF sometimes, Wood, Young, and Crews start mostly. No reason a DH has to be a miserable fielder.

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« Reply #161 on: July 29, 2024, 04:43:31 pm »
Call is fine as a 4th OF / defensive replacement / pinch runner.

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« Reply #162 on: July 29, 2024, 06:15:34 pm »
Or, hear me out, we just use Young as a 4th OFer

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« Reply #163 on: July 29, 2024, 06:57:41 pm »
Or, hear me out, we just use Young as a 4th OFer
he’s the best position player on our team.

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« Reply #164 on: July 29, 2024, 07:38:24 pm »
Welp, nevermind

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« Reply #165 on: July 29, 2024, 08:29:01 pm »
Welp, nevermind
root for Hassell / Lile / someone else to make it an issue again.

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« Reply #166 on: August 12, 2024, 11:48:04 am »
This MLB outfielder is a defensive wizard. Here’s how he sees the game.
Jacob Young has been a marvel in the outfield for the Washington Nationals this season. He’s building a Gold Glove case.

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Baseball Savant tracks reaction time, which helps gauge how far a player runs in the first 1.5 seconds after the ball leaves the bat. Young covers 4.6 more feet than the average outfielder. No one else is particularly close. No. 2 on the list is New York Yankees outfielder Trent Grisham, who comes in at 2.5 feet. Since 2016, only Kike Hernández in 2021 and 2022 has outclassed his peers by at least 3.5 feet in a full season.

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Before games, he makes his calculations. Every day the Nationals have batting practice, he tracks every type of ball he might see. He might also pick up differences in the ballparks across the game. Colorado was an obvious example — the ball takes a different route in thin air. In Milwaukee, he found that the roof suppressed sound. Because he often uses the thwack off the bat to gauge a ball’s distance — and because he knew American Family Field was deceptively quiet — he boosted forward for a diving catch rather than allowing the ball to skip before him.

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Most metrics back up modern baseball’s general line of thinking defensively: Fast jumps are more important than precise routes. Young, as it just so happens, is the exact case study for that thought process: He takes the least direct routes in baseball.

Talks about his work in the minors with Coco Crisp and in the majors with Parra. Says it is easier for him in CF than in the corners, where he played some prior to this year, because he has to deal with less tail on the ball and can make his reads in part based on catcher positioning.

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« Reply #167 on: August 13, 2024, 08:28:07 am »
Good stuff. Probably my favorite current Nat.

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« Reply #168 on: August 13, 2024, 08:52:38 am »
I think of Kevin Kiermaier when I think of Young. It's not quite perfect because Kiermaier when right has more power, a bit worse OBP, and never stole bases quite like Young, but the idea of a great defensive CF who runs and hit with a ~ .700 OPS is kind of what I hope Young becomes. The tough part is going to be the OPS, but if he can just maintain a .320+ OBP and run more than Kiermaier, he could have a long career even with an OPS closer to .650.

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« Reply #169 on: August 13, 2024, 08:55:50 am »
Young's OPS is closer to .600 than .700.  He's currently sitting at a .314 OBP.


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« Reply #170 on: August 13, 2024, 09:07:47 am »
Young's OPS is closer to .600 than .700.  He's currently sitting at a .314 OBP.


yes, and that's not quite good enough. He's now had 140 games in the majors and 502 PAs. Piled up 3 fWAR. Needs to get that OBP back to .320 and run more to be positive offensively.

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« Reply #171 on: August 13, 2024, 09:48:28 am »
Young's OPS is closer to .600 than .700.  He's currently sitting at a .314 OBP.
If James Wood and Dylan Crews are who we hope they are, Jacob Young can be carried in CF and hitting #9.

If you have a player in the minors who pops or you see a value in the trade market, you make a move to replace Young. But I'm not expending resources replace a cost controlled CF who with minor offensive improvement could be a 3 to 4 WAR player., especially when DH and 3B are holes and you're not sure you if you have options at C and 1B.

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« Reply #172 on: August 13, 2024, 09:49:35 am »
Opening day to June 30: .272 / .328 / .339 - 247 PAs / 227 ABs
July 1 to present: .207 / .287 / .293 - 134 PAs, 116ABs

Not good.

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« Reply #173 on: August 13, 2024, 10:15:56 am »
Pitchers have figured him out.

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« Reply #174 on: August 13, 2024, 10:26:41 am »
Opening day to June 30: .272 / .328 / .339 - 247 PAs / 227 ABs
July 1 to present: .207 / .287 / .293 - 134 PAs, 116ABs

Not good.
will check but coincides with a team-wide drop off in O, I think. His getting on and running, especially running successfully,  is kind of stokes up the engine.