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Re: Stephen Strasburg Retires
« Reply #125: September 09, 2023, 10:57:05 AM »
I don’t like fully guaranteed contracts that don’t require you showing up to do the work.

I like Strasburg. I think he has worked as hard as humanly possible to get back. Not his fault baseball contracts are structured in a way this internet posters doesn’t like.

I think ultimately he gets his full money. Just depends on how much pain the Lerners want on the way out of the door.

So you like football contracts where guys get injured and then discarded?

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« Reply #126: September 09, 2023, 10:57:31 AM »
As I stated last Thursday it is in the best interest of both parties to negotiate a settlement. If Strasburg doesn’t go to WPB when pitchers and catchers are due to report and start the rehab process away from his family for 6 months then he doesn’t get paid. He is in violation of his contract. Obviously Mark Lerner is in agreement as his last comment was “ see you in ST”.
I believe he has the right to seek outside medical opinions. All he needs to do is to get doctors to say he has no way to perform for the Nationals no matter how much rehab he does. And that would end spring training.

Maybe he does not mind 6 weeks in Palm Beach? I believe he still lives in the DC area so coming to the park every day does not seem a big deal.

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« Reply #127: September 09, 2023, 10:59:35 AM »
As I stated last Thursday it is in the best interest of both parties to negotiate a settlement. If Strasburg doesn’t go to WPB when pitchers and catchers are due to report and start the rehab process away from his family for 6 months then he doesn’t get paid. He is in violation of his contract. Obviously Mark Lerner is in agreement as his last comment was “ see you in ST”.

It’s in his best interest to show up and collect the money and be really open in interviews about the front office, ownership, and team. He can easily make himself a clubhouse cancer until he’s sent home

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« Reply #128: September 09, 2023, 11:45:00 AM »
It’s in his best interest to show up and collect the money and be really open in interviews about the front office, ownership, and team. He can easily make himself a clubhouse cancer until he’s sent home

I would be really surprised if Stras took that route.

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Re: Stephen Strasburg Retires
« Reply #129: September 09, 2023, 11:56:21 AM »
So you like football contracts where guys get injured and then discarded?

A happy medium would be nice.  You get a percentage of your contract, but you don't get All Star money if you don't see any action.

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Re: Stephen Strasburg Retires
« Reply #130: September 09, 2023, 12:35:00 PM »
As I stated last Thursday it is in the best interest of both parties to negotiate a settlement. If Strasburg doesn’t go to WPB when pitchers and catchers are due to report and start the rehab process away from his family for 6 months then he doesn’t get paid. He is in violation of his contract. Obviously Mark Lerner is in agreement as his last comment was “ see you in ST”.
if he continues to live in the DC area, like he has been, he doesn't have time away from the family. I think he has all the leverage here.

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« Reply #131: September 09, 2023, 12:48:50 PM »
As I stated last Thursday it is in the best interest of both parties to negotiate a settlement. If Strasburg doesn’t go to WPB when pitchers and catchers are due to report and start the rehab process away from his family for 6 months then he doesn’t get paid. He is in violation of his contract. Obviously Mark Lerner is in agreement as his last comment was “ see you in ST”.

Lmao, its in the Lerners, its not in Strasburg's.

Let me tell you how this is going to go. Stras will take his family on a nice vacation to WPB in late February. He will show up to the Nats facility and be evaluated by the training staff. He will be unable to do baseball activities due to nerve damage. He will continue to do rehab and be placed on the 60 day IL. He will then go home to the DC area, and repeat the process, at the earliest, 60 days later.

So, at most, three visits to the Nats training staff to collect 35 million a year. In the meantime, the Nats owe him the salary and have to eat his roster spot every offseason.

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« Reply #132: September 09, 2023, 01:02:58 PM »
Late February is during the school year, but clearly, two weeks away from the wife and kids - fly them down for Palm Beach weekends during Florida's nicest weather - isn't much of a struggle, is it.

Lmao, its in the Lerners, its not in Strasburg's.

Let me tell you how this is going to go. Stras will take his family on a nice vacation to WPB in late February. He will show up to the Nats facility and be evaluated by the training staff. He will be unable to do baseball activities due to nerve damage. He will continue to do rehab and be placed on the 60 day IL. He will then go home to the DC area, and repeat the process, at the earliest, 60 days later.

So, at most, three visits to the Nats training staff to collect 35 million a year. In the meantime, the Nats owe him the salary and have to eat his roster spot every offseason.

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Re: Stephen Strasburg Retires
« Reply #133: September 09, 2023, 01:07:57 PM »
Late February is during the school year, but clearly, two weeks away from the wife and kids - fly them down for Palm Beach weekends during Florida's nicest weather - isn't much of a struggle, is it.

He can bring tutors with him

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« Reply #134: September 09, 2023, 03:15:58 PM »
A happy medium would be nice.  You get a percentage of your contract, but you don't get All Star money if you don't see any action.

If injures voided or lowered contracts, I’d assume the overall number would go up to compensate

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« Reply #135: September 09, 2023, 03:33:22 PM »
if he continues to live in the DC area, like he has been, he doesn't have time away from the family. I think he has all the leverage here.

He would rehab in WPB for the whole season starting with pitchers and catchers reporting in February until the end of September. Yes he could fly his family down on weekends but have you ever thought about commuting to Florida every  weekend  with young kids.  He could also rent a home in Jupiter next door to Max but who wants to be in Florida in the summer.

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« Reply #136: September 09, 2023, 03:36:33 PM »
He would rehab in WPB for the whole season starting with pitchers and catchers reporting in February until the end of September. Yes he could fly his family down on weekends but have you ever thought about commuting to Florida every  weekend  with young kids.  He could also rent a home in Jupiter next door to Max but who wants to be in Florida in the summer.
Are you sure he was in WPB this whole summer? I doubt he would be in therapy that long continuously.  Don’t they have training facilities and trainers and medical personnel at Nats Park? 

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« Reply #137: September 09, 2023, 06:37:37 PM »
How bad are the fines for not reporting to rehab?

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« Reply #138: September 09, 2023, 06:41:37 PM »
Last February he didn’t report to spring training because he had a setback while training.  Presumably in the DC area. Don’t remember when he actually did report but it seems like since then he has had more than just a setback.  All seems weird to me.

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« Reply #139: September 09, 2023, 06:54:51 PM »
Last February he didn’t report to spring training because he had a setback while training.  Presumably in the DC area. Don’t remember when he actually did report but it seems like since then he has had more than just a setback.  All seems weird to me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/06/03/stephen-strasburg-tos-recovery-nationals/

Couldnt even get through lower body workouts without pain and numbness.

Also, he's got quality of life complications
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As recently as last summer, Strasburg couldn’t stand for long before his right hand went numb. He often had to lie down and press his hand against his chest to be a warped version of comfortable.

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Along with team doctors, Strasburg has been regularly advised by Gregory Pearl, who performed his TOS surgery, and Neal ElAttrache, a specialist familiar with his arm and neck. If he gets the green light to rehab again, it would be because they decided another attempt wouldn’t affect his long-term well-being more than his health issues already have.

I think we're at the point where trying to workout and rehab to pitch is detrimental to his long term health.

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« Reply #140: September 09, 2023, 06:59:19 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/06/03/stephen-strasburg-tos-recovery-nationals/

Couldnt even get through lower body workouts without pain and numbness.

Also, he's got quality of life complications
I think we're at the point where trying to workout and rehab to pitch is detrimental to his long term health.
Agree.  Also why would the Nats want to have their staff spending time on a guy who will not pitch?  Sounds like they are bluffing. 

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« Reply #141: September 09, 2023, 07:00:13 PM »
Agree.  Also why would the Nats want to have their staff spending time on a guy who will not pitch?  Sounds like they are bluffing. 
Because the more the Lerners can defer, the less they spend now and the more they make off the sale.

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« Reply #142: September 09, 2023, 08:17:28 PM »
Because the more the Lerners can defer, the less they spend now and the more they make off the sale.
The contract is the contract.  Seems cobterproduxtive.

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« Reply #143: September 09, 2023, 08:20:01 PM »
The contract is the contract.  Seems cobterproduxtive.

That about sums it up

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Re: Stephen Strasburg Retires
« Reply #144: September 09, 2023, 08:25:25 PM »
The contract is the contract.  Seems cobterproduxtive.
Right. But, if instead of paying him 23 million next year, they can restructure the deal to defer more money, then they can, effectively, pocket it.

By deferring the money, it becomes the new owners' debt, not the Lerners

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« Reply #145: September 09, 2023, 08:29:22 PM »
Right. But, if instead of paying him 23 million next year, they can restructure the deal to defer more money, then they can, effectively, pocket it.

By deferring the money, it becomes the new owners' debt, not the Lerners
Sure but it sounds like they cannot work out a deal.  Not sure how making him go to spring training helps with that.  Maybe just make him dig in further to his position.

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« Reply #146: September 09, 2023, 09:18:53 PM »
Disgraceful

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« Reply #147: September 09, 2023, 09:23:44 PM »
At what point is the doctor telling him to rehab for no actual purpose committing malpractice? 

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« Reply #148: September 09, 2023, 10:44:45 PM »
At what point is the doctor telling him to rehab for no actual purpose committing malpractice? 
At this point they have stopped rehabbing for baseball and started working towards basic life stuff

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« Reply #149: September 09, 2023, 10:48:12 PM »
At this point they have stopped rehabbing for baseball and started working towards basic life stuff

Are nats trainers even remotely qualified for that