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2024 MLB Draft
« Topic Start: July 12, 2023, 04:27:15 PM »
Via Joe Doyle @joedoylemilb:
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Update: Spoke to a league source. The Washington Nationals are ineligible to land a Top-10 pick in the 2024 MLB Draft Lottery due to MLB's revenue sharing plan and their market size.

EDIT = adding link to 2023 thread: https://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=40466.0

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Re: 2024 MLB Draft
« Reply #1: July 12, 2023, 05:03:04 PM »
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Update: Spoke to a league source. The Washington Nationals are ineligible to land a Top-10 pick in the 2024 MLB Draft Lottery due to MLB's revenue sharing plan and their market size.

So now even thinking 10th is off the table, it’s 11th? Meanwhile, they’re not able to actually get monies that are due them market-share wise because of litigation, something which baseball could act upon unilaterally without messing with the MASN agreement but still providing a measure of relief? How’s that for equitable…

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« Reply #2: July 12, 2023, 05:53:31 PM »
No one can even figure out the rules. Great system Manfred.

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« Reply #3: July 12, 2023, 06:36:41 PM »
I think the source means that the Nats cannot pick above 10th in the first round. In second and other rounds, might they pick second or first? I'm guessing that the A's will have the worst record in baseball this year, and the Nats will have the second worst. We have that second round picks can be valuable.

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« Reply #4: July 12, 2023, 06:45:57 PM »
I think the source means that the Nats cannot pick above 10th in the first round. In second and other rounds, might they pick second or first? I'm guessing that the A's will have the worst record in baseball this year, and the Nats will have the second worst. We have that second round picks can be valuable.
It still makes no sense because the lottery is officially picks 1-6. So of out of the lottery due to new rules being able to pick 7th is what makes sense. But no. This is MLB.

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Re: 2024 MLB Draft
« Reply #5: July 12, 2023, 06:52:22 PM »
Nats should throw a fit over this nonsense. We don't own our own market.

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« Reply #6: July 12, 2023, 07:08:21 PM »
Nats should throw a fit over this nonsense. We don't own our own market.
No one really cares. Not the revenue sharing teams.   And not the top spending teams. The Nats voted on this like everyone else. Lerners didn’t care because they thought the team would be sold by now.

The solution as you are starting to build is to sign guys to one year contracts. Other than Candy and Dickerson Nats failed to do that this year even though they had no chance at a top pick. Then you can trade guys if not contending and go into tank mode the following season. Really makes sense for the Nats to have one more bottom year even if it is painful to watch.

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Re: 2024 MLB Draft
« Reply #7: July 13, 2023, 08:39:09 AM »
Nats should throw a fit over this nonsense. We don't own our own market.
Some of the local pols on the Hill should threaten a hearing on the anti-trust exemption, pointing the to MASN arrangement.

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« Reply #8: September 30, 2023, 05:56:43 PM »
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« Reply #9: October 12, 2023, 10:19:47 AM »
No one really cares. Not the revenue sharing teams.   And not the top spending teams. The Nats voted on this like everyone else. Lerners didn’t care because they thought the team would be sold by now.

This is very much the reality of the situation honestly. No one cares that we have these problems, in fact, they're glad we got em (to borrow a Mike Tomlin saying). You think the Phillies aren't delighted by the fact that the Nats have such a terrible tv arrangement that at a minimum, it hindered their ability to retain a Harper or a Soto (and obviously the Harper situation redounded to their benefit massively). You think the Mets and Braves aren't happy that there's a franchise in a major market that inhabits their division that's punching well below it's weight atm? It's ultimately harmful to MLB that there's an arrangement that benefits a minor market like Baltimore (a metro area essentially the size of Tampa's) to the detriment of a market fully capable of being a pillar franchise in the sport with quality ownership and a fully realized revenue stream (neither of which they have atm), but that's a 60,000 foot view that these essentially independent operators don't generally concern themselves with.

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« Reply #10: December 07, 2023, 08:44:58 PM »
MLB pipeline has us taking Tommy White from LSU at ten. That would be awesome.

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« Reply #11: December 07, 2023, 08:51:30 PM »
MLB pipeline has us taking Tommy White from LSU at ten. That would be awesome.
Yep. We need some power. 

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« Reply #12: December 07, 2023, 10:43:08 PM »
Yep. We need some power. 

Lot of corner IF power bats gonna go top 10.  In the order I want them, there’s Kurtz, white, condon, caglianone

Kurtz: awesome feel for hitting as well as power.  Profiles as a very good defensive 1B.  Athletic enough to be an average corner OF.
White: great feel for hitting and power but is the least athletic player on this list.
Condon: mashes.  Redshirted a year so not as much track record.  A little remote athletic than white but not close to Kurtz.
Caglianone: best power in college baseball also hits 99 on the gun.  Serious contact problems could be exposed in pro ball.

Bazzana, weatherholt, burns, Brecht (hard throwing righty screams rizzo), griffin, morlando also possibilities.

Strong college bat crop this year. 

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Re: 2024 MLB Draft
« Reply #13: December 08, 2023, 02:47:11 PM »
I think it's time for Rizzo to pick a pitcher in the first round, and then hitters. Our team has the fifth pick in rounds two and after, so there should be valuable prospects available.

Just no more debates this season about the best or second best play available.

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« Reply #14: January 05, 2024, 07:27:48 PM »
I think it's time for Rizzo to pick a pitcher in the first round

He's drafted so many the last ten years and none has really panned out. 

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« Reply #15: January 05, 2024, 07:50:33 PM »
He's drafted so many the last ten years and none has really panned out. 
I wonder how much of that is on the development staff. It'll be interesting to watch Fedde this year and whether  getting out of here was the trick.

The non-productive 1st rounders, especially pitching, is from 2011-18. After Rendon in 2010, it was Meyer (& Brian Goodwin),  Giolito, no pick, Fedde, Carter Kieboom, Dunning, Romero, and Denaburg. Giolito had some pretty good years once he got out of here, and Dunning at least has a ring and a steady job. Fedde turns in 2 or 3 solid years, and it's not a horrible yield on the pitchers. Denaburg and Meyer physically broke down, but Meyer got us Span. Romero was just an f'ng head case who should have been avoided. That's the worst of the bunch.

Another way to look at it is Meyer, Giolito, and Dunning turned into Span and most of Eaton. They weren't valueless, even if Giolito was a clear sell low. Remember, many people were more upset about Lopez than Giolito. Really, it's just Romero and Denaburg that's tough to defend.

As for 2019 on, I think Rutledge and Cavalli can work out.

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« Reply #16: January 05, 2024, 07:51:20 PM »
Tommy Tanks

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« Reply #17: January 06, 2024, 01:16:22 PM »
Tommy Tanks

He’s the worst fielder and least athletic of all the top college corner IFs.  I’d rather have one of the others.

Really I want Hartle who should be a fast moving high floor lefty who could still potentially be a #2 if he can squeeze some more velo out of his 6’5” frame

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« Reply #18: January 06, 2024, 01:28:02 PM »
He’s the worst fielder and least athletic of all the top college corner IFs.  I’d rather have one of the others.

Really I want Hartle who should be a fast moving high floor lefty who could still potentially be a #2 if he can squeeze some more velo out of his 6’5” frame

We need bombs, baby. Deep, arcing, majestic bombs.

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« Reply #19: January 06, 2024, 01:41:19 PM »
He’s the worst fielder and least athletic of all the top college corner IFs.  I’d rather have one of the others.

Really I want Hartle who should be a fast moving high floor lefty who could still potentially be a #2 if he can squeeze some more velo out of his 6’5” frame

He's a DH/1B who can mash. We absolutely need someone like him in the lineup. OPS'd 1.158 last year with 24 HRs in just 310 PAs.

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« Reply #20: January 06, 2024, 02:45:34 PM »
Condon OPSed 1.284 with 25 bombs in 254 PAs with a .386 average and 33/45 bb/k
Caglianone OPSed 1.126 with a division 1 leading 33 bombs, .323 avg, 17/58 bb/k in 319 PA
Kurtz OPSed 1.311 with 24 HR, a .353 avg, 63/50 bb/k in 265 PA

White had a 1.158 OPS, 24 HR, a .374 avg, 23/41 bb/k in 310 PA.

I’d only put white above caglianone, but even then caglianone has the most power of the bunch and if a team believes he’s a 40 homer hitter and his 99mph as a lefty could play in relief stunts he could be the top guy

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« Reply #21: January 06, 2024, 03:05:32 PM »
Condon OPSed 1.284 with 25 bombs in 254 PAs with a .386 average and 33/45 bb/k
Caglianone OPSed 1.126 with a division 1 leading 33 bombs, .323 avg, 17/58 bb/k in 319 PA
Kurtz OPSed 1.311 with 24 HR, a .353 avg, 63/50 bb/k in 265 PA

White had a 1.158 OPS, 24 HR, a .374 avg, 23/41 bb/k in 310 PA.

I’d only put white above caglianone, but even then caglianone has the most power of the bunch and if a team believes he’s a 40 homer hitter and his 99mph as a lefty could play in relief stunts he could be the top guy
Caglianone will be long gone. So will Condon. Kurtz as well.

We need Tommy Tanks energy. Lift big. Throw gas. Hit bombs.

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« Reply #22: January 06, 2024, 03:22:46 PM »
Caglianone will be long gone. So will Condon. Kurtz as well.

We need Tommy Tanks energy. Lift big. Throw gas. Hit bombs.

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« Reply #23: January 07, 2024, 07:56:58 AM »
Caglianone will be long gone. So will Condon. Kurtz as well.

We need Tommy Tanks energy. Lift big. Throw gas. Hit bombs.
Tanks has a Kevin Millar kind of vibe to him.  Entertaining guy to have around, and Lord knows we can use some Q-factor entertainment in the organization. 

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« Reply #24: January 07, 2024, 09:47:38 AM »
After drafting high last year and probably 2025 I think you go for a high potential power guy.  Hitter. Or maybe you find a college pitcher who can have a near term impact.  Gray looks more like a back of the rotation guy.  Gore looks god but wild.  Don’t know about Cavalli.  Need a top flight pitcher.  Wood seems to be the low floor high ceiling power hitter.  A few months to sort it out.