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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #75: April 28, 2023, 12:33:41 PM »
I don't think folks are saying give him away. I think a vigorous exploration of what you can get is what I'm talking about. I haven't explored recent set up reliever trades, but a set up guy is always going to be worth more to a contender with a shaky bullpen than he is to a team in the back half of the standings. Control through 2025 is a nice kicker on Finnegan's value too. 

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« Reply #76: April 28, 2023, 12:50:06 PM »
Finnegan isnt elite. He isnt a lockdown closer. He isnt closing any playoff games. Hes good quality 7th/8th inning guy on a wild card team.

I frankly dont care if the Nationals blow 50 saves this year. Keeping Finnegan does nothing to make us a playoff team within the next five years. Trading him might. And I find it REALLY hard to believe that Harvey or Thompson couldnt duplicate Finnegan's success. Frankly, I think Harris, Ferrer, or Cronin could.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #77: April 28, 2023, 01:24:14 PM »
Finnegan isnt elite. He isnt a lockdown closer. He isnt closing any playoff games. Hes good quality 7th/8th inning guy on a wild card team.

I frankly dont care if the Nationals blow 50 saves this year. Keeping Finnegan does nothing to make us a playoff team within the next five years. Trading him might. And I find it REALLY hard to believe that Harvey or Thompson couldnt duplicate Finnegan's success. Frankly, I think Harris, Ferrer, or Cronin could.

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« Reply #78: April 28, 2023, 05:40:28 PM »
I can believe Harvey could close although he seems to rely on his fastball a lot and not sure what else he has. He's been getting guys out though and that's all that counts. He's never even had 1 save though. Let's let Thompson get more than 24 innings in a year before we decide or make him out to be Goose Gossage. He's got 2 saves in 7 opportunities.

Finnegan is good but he's not a shutdown closer. He may become that but he's not that today. That's the point. The Nats aren't so much smarter than everybody else that they're going to get some teams prospect that will make a difference in the rebuild. It could be Finnegan will turn out to be the closer we'll need. I would rather give Finnegan a chance than trade him for some A ball guy we'll never hear from again.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #79: April 28, 2023, 06:26:00 PM »
I can believe Harvey could close although he seems to rely on his fastball a lot and not sure what else he has. He's been getting guys out though and that's all that counts. He's never even had 1 save though. Let's let Thompson get more than 24 innings in a year before we decide or make him out to be Goose Gossage. He's got 2 saves in 7 opportunities.

Finnegan is good but he's not a shutdown closer. He may become that but he's not that today. That's the point. The Nats aren't so much smarter than everybody else that they're going to get some teams prospect that will make a difference in the rebuild. It could be Finnegan will turn out to be the closer we'll need. I would rather give Finnegan a chance than trade him for some A ball guy we'll never hear from again.

Harvey’s split is nasty

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #80: April 28, 2023, 06:34:04 PM »
Your'e acting like Finnegan is some sort of established closer. He isnt. He doesnt even have 30 saves in 3 seasons. Rainey had more saves than him last year and out performed him. Of Rainey were healthy, he'd be the closer.

Speaking of out performing, Harvey has significantly outperformed Finnegan. Sub-3 ERA, double digit K/9, significantly lower home run rate. He is flat out better than Finnegan in every measurable way. He is 28. He could be apart of the future. We need to find out of he can close, because if he can, he absolutely has the stuff and mentality. His fastball is very good. No one has gotten a hit off his splitter yet. Last season, both pitches produced sub.600 OPS. Harvey could very well be that playoff closer. In high leverage situations, he gets nastier. K/9 goes up and the WHIP goes down. Its far more likely that he is THAT guy than Finnegan.


Finnegan wont be good in 2026, which is the earliest the Nats will compete. And if they do before that, Rizzo wi trade for a legit closer.

Daniel Hudson got us Mason Thompson. Tanner Roark got this team Tanner Rainey. Josh Fields brought back Yordan Alvarez. You take your shot and try and get better. If the prospect doesnt pan out, fine. Thats better than winning a couple more games in a meaningless season.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #81: April 28, 2023, 07:53:13 PM »
I'm happy with the results of the Hunter Harvy/Austin Voth trade.

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« Reply #82: April 28, 2023, 10:23:09 PM »
I'll say this and let it go. Again, I have no problem with Harvey. He's doing well but the most innings he's ever pitched in one year is 39. The Nats got him on waivers from the Giants. Before that he pitched in 3 years with the Orioles pitching 6 innings one year and 8 innings each in two different years. He's had 2 save opportunities and 0 saves. Let him get his feet wet before you throw him into a closer's role. Maybe next year if Finnegan doesn't pan out.

I said Finnegan is not lights out. He has been consistently good though. This is the third year he's closed games now. His opportunities have been limited because the Nats haven't been ahead that much in the 9th the last couple of years. You need a complete back end of the bullpen. If you don't have a 7th and 8th inning guy your closer is not much use. I don't want to take a strength and make it a weakness. He's okay now but with more opportunities he may get better.

Don't throw guys into a role they're not ready for and ruin them.

Side note: Can you imagine the rotation the Tigers would have if they kept Scherzer, Verlander, Fister, Robbie Ray, Anibal Sanchez and Rick Porcello. All of them were on the 2013 team except Ray and he was on the 2014 team.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #83: April 28, 2023, 11:00:39 PM »
The Tigers traded Fister to get Ray

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #84: May 07, 2023, 07:33:54 AM »
Isn’t this the second game that Heartattack 2.0 blew after the Nats mounted a large rally to take the lead?

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #85: May 07, 2023, 07:37:33 AM »
Meh, pretty obvious he was tired. I think Harvey should be the closer, but I dont pin last night on Finnegan

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #86: May 07, 2023, 01:43:13 PM »
Finnegan is not prime Doolittle, or set to be anybody's closer. I doubt that no team will offer much for Finnegan, so a better question might be whether the Nats should keep Hunter Harvey.

Harvey seems pretty good.

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« Reply #87: May 12, 2023, 11:41:46 AM »
Keep Harvey and Finnegan.

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« Reply #88: August 25, 2023, 12:45:26 PM »
Just saw that Finnegan has now played in 214 games for the Nats. That moves him ahead of Gio Gonzales for 9th place overall.

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« Reply #89: August 25, 2023, 01:33:31 PM »
Just saw that Finnegan has now played in 214 games for the Nats. That moves him ahead of Gio Gonzales for 9th place overall.
Ehh, relievers vs. starters. I would rather evaluate players by years on the team, and specifically, games played for position players and innings pitched for pitchers.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #90: August 25, 2023, 02:13:23 PM »
Finnegan is not prime Doolittle, or set to be anybody's closer. I doubt that no team will offer much for Finnegan, so a better question might be whether the Nats should keep Hunter Harvey.

Harvey seems pretty good.

Happened to see my comment from May. Wow, my opinion has changed!

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #91: July 15, 2024, 05:16:45 PM »
Finnegan is an all-star! (Sorry for bumping this old thread, couldn't find a newer one).

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« Reply #92: July 15, 2024, 05:29:20 PM »
Finnegan is an all-star! (Sorry for bumping this old thread, couldn't find a newer one).

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #93: July 15, 2024, 06:36:58 PM »
Kind of late notice. Hope they gave him time to get there.

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« Reply #94: July 15, 2024, 09:43:55 PM »
I would rather he just got the days off and came back ready after the all-star break. The all-star game doesn't mean much to me.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #95: July 16, 2024, 11:36:16 AM »
eh, he's gotten rest since Saturday. Be good for him to throw today.

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« Reply #96: July 16, 2024, 12:24:30 PM »
Sooo will he stay with the Nats past the trade deadline?  :nervous:

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #97: July 16, 2024, 06:55:39 PM »
Sooo will he stay with the Nats past the trade deadline?  :nervous:

Considering the return for Harvey, I’d say Rizzo absolutely finds a deal.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #98: July 16, 2024, 08:38:27 PM »
Iirc, Harvey has better stats.

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Re: Finnegan: more value keeping or trading?
« Reply #99: July 16, 2024, 09:55:58 PM »
Iirc, Harvey has better stats.

Why do you say that?