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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #250: September 07, 2023, 01:41:23 PM »
Give him the rest of the year. Same with Alu. Looks probably that neither is much of anything to build on going forward.
They may be filler until one of House or Morales takes over 3rd and somebody like Lipscomb takes over 2nd. I could see them platooning as well.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #251: September 07, 2023, 01:44:35 PM »
Wasnt Alu's claim to fame his glove at third?

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #252: September 07, 2023, 02:19:30 PM »
Wasnt Alu's claim to fame his glove at third?
showed pop last year.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #253: September 07, 2023, 02:31:56 PM »
Alu is fine for a utility / bench player. At this point Kieboom is a placeholder for House.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #254: September 07, 2023, 02:37:09 PM »
Alu is fine for a utility / bench player. At this point Kieboom is a placeholder for House.

At this point I believe House ‘s arrival would be sometime in 2025. Almost 2 years of KieBUST is punting away the playoffs.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #255: September 07, 2023, 03:23:20 PM »
Keiboom should, uh, not be a placeholder for anyone. He's not very good.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #256: September 07, 2023, 04:24:35 PM »
This is Kieboom's last chance. His final year. Next year Alu will play 3B, or Vargas will, or a free agent. Maybe Kieboom will start to hit, but he has never done that before, so...

Then House or Lipscomb or Yoyo. Lipscomb has been starting at 2B and SS for Harrisburg. In all the Nats look like they have some depth at infield. But OF is thin. Losing Garrett and Thomas shows just how thin.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #257: September 07, 2023, 04:28:08 PM »
Keiboom should, uh, not be a placeholder for anyone. He's not very good.
I do think this is his last shot. if they see something, he can get back into the plans. 

With 22 games left, Kieboom will get another 80-100 PAs.

My problem with him is I don't see what a successful Kieboom looks like. The quality of the contact hasn't been there for a while. 2019 was in Fresno, so the numbers are inflated. More impressive were his numbers in a half season at A in 2017 and a half season at A+ in 2018. All this is ancient history. I think he'll pull more than he has. If he trades grounders for liners, then there might be something.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #258: September 07, 2023, 10:11:13 PM »
Keiboom should, uh, not be a placeholder for anyone. He's not very good.

Vargas has 4 home runs this year, while getting on base at a .270 clip

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #259: September 08, 2023, 09:17:34 AM »
Wasnt Alu's claim to fame his glove at third?

He was the best defensive infielder in the minors according to at least one advanced fielding metric. Can't remember which one though and in general they should be taken with a grain of salt, probably more so at the minor league level.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #260: September 08, 2023, 09:28:24 AM »
So, conceivably, we could platoon third base with Alu and Kieboom?

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #261: September 08, 2023, 09:34:14 AM »
He was the best defensive infielder in the minors according to at least one advanced fielding metric. Can't remember which one though and in general they should be taken with a grain of salt, probably more so at the minor league level.
Defensive runs saved according to what I heard.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #262: September 08, 2023, 09:35:33 AM »
So, conceivably, we could platoon third base with Alu and Kieboom?
been on my mind if they have platoon splits. I can't find anything handy to look up their minor league track records for splits. I know Davey has been trying to feed Alu mostly RHP.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #263: September 08, 2023, 09:41:08 AM »
Vargas has 4 home runs this year, while getting on base at a .270 clip
he's not a long term starter, either, even if his overall numbers are better than Kieboom and Alu and they win more when he plays. I don't think it's much of a question whether you play Kieboom and Alu now to find out what we have. It's just there's a lot of justifiable skepticism that, on 10/1/23, anyone is going to think the Nats have found a significant helpful piece in Kieboom.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #264: September 08, 2023, 11:33:06 AM »
Vargas has 4 home runs this year, while getting on base at a .270 clip

So? Who cares. There's like 15 games left. Next year is what I'm talking about. Kieboom can be a warm body for 2 more weeks but I have zero interest in penciling him in anywhere other than Rochester.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #265: September 08, 2023, 02:47:18 PM »
Next year? Vargas probably has a utility spot, or he platoons with Alu at 3B. Kieboom has had chance after chance but has never hit much in the majors, and not able to field much, either.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #266: September 10, 2023, 03:06:51 PM »
I pretty much have seen all I want with KieBUST. 5 K’s in a row and an infield pop up. He may have had several balls called strikes especially the last K.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #267: October 01, 2023, 05:31:18 AM »
Batting .202. Still can’t field his position. Time to cut him loose. It will be interesting if he gets a start today. If not the writing is on the wall.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #268: October 01, 2023, 10:21:30 AM »
he's in atlanta. I expect him to start. Vargas is the alternative if they want better d.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #269: October 01, 2023, 11:37:18 AM »
he's in atlanta. I expect him to start. Vargas is the alternative if they want better d.

And a lot more offense without the pop

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #270: October 01, 2023, 01:55:08 PM »
he's in atlanta. I expect him to start. Vargas is the alternative if they want better d.

Yep he is starting and it is my fondest hope that this will be the last time we will see him in a regular season game in a Nats uni.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #271: October 01, 2023, 11:54:42 PM »
And a lot more offense without the pop

Vargas has zero offense or defense.   An old fat guy hanging around

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #272: October 02, 2023, 07:46:38 AM »
Vargas has zero offense or defense.   An old fat guy hanging around

That is why they re-signed him. Give it up KieBUST will never succeed in a Nats uni.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #273: October 02, 2023, 09:44:30 AM »
Vargas has zero offense or defense.   An old fat guy hanging around

Vargas hits .245 - .250. He plays good defense at 3B, 2B, and SS. He is a fine utility player. Until the Nats have a third baseman, he will start. And Luis Garcia is uneven at 2B, so Vargas can replace him.

Maybe Rizzo finds another under-valued 3B, as undervalued as Candelario was. In that case, Vargas is the backup again. Otherwise: Kieboom was tried and failed. Alu looks like a god all-around fielder, one who hits better than Kieboom, but not an MLB regular. The Nats have prospects who play 3B, but none are close.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #274: October 02, 2023, 11:05:59 AM »
That is why they re-signed him. Give it up KieBUST will never succeed in a Nats uni.

Vargas hits .245 - .250. He plays good defense at 3B, 2B, and SS. He is a fine utility player. Until the Nats have a third baseman, he will start. And Luis Garcia is uneven at 2B, so Vargas can replace him.

Maybe Rizzo finds another under-valued 3B, as undervalued as Candelario was. In that case, Vargas is the backup again. Otherwise: Kieboom was tried and failed. Alu looks like a god all-around fielder, one who hits better than Kieboom, but not an MLB regular. The Nats have prospects who play 3B, but none are close.

Vargas is a bad defender at shortstop, he is mediocre at second, and he's average at third. He doesn't hit for average. He doesn't hit for power. He is not a starter on a competitive team, and to be honest, he is not even on a competitive roster. He is a below replacement level player for his career. There is no reason for Vargas to be replacing anyone for longer than a couple games. We have options at all the positions he play that should be given an opportunity.

X is representative of Vargas's performance, abilities, and likelihood of being a productive player on a playoff bound-Nationals team. It is more than 0.
A is representative of Kieboom. B is representative of Garcia. C is representative of Alu. And so forth for throughout the organization.

All letters that aren't X > X. All of them.

Even if that player performs worse than what Vargas would perform, its still more valuable to play that player, simply to evaluate that player and prepare for the future. Which is still the goal of the 2024 season.  There is no reason to give Vargas any substantial playing time. He is not a factor in the Nationals rebuild. He is only getting this contract because he is cheap and he has a positive attitude. 

If he's healthy, start Kieboom next season. If not, start Alu. Garcia starts at second. Give them at least until mid-June to see whats going on, as well as see how House/Morales/Lipscomb/Baker do in the minors. Make a plan from there, but in all honesty, that should probably be your starting infield until you call someone up. If they hit, excellent. If not, Rizzo made sure and can comfortably move on without rushing anyone in the minors.

Starting Vargas over any other player in the organization is saying you don't care about improving the team and you have no interest in winning anything in the forseeable future. You are, effectively, saying that you're the A's and you don't give a crap.