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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #225: August 21, 2023, 09:47:46 AM »
And never to be seen again in a Nats uni?
Tough to say, he played decently enough the few times he got in a game this month.  He could be a Sept 1 callup, although it'll probably be a catcher instead.  He could be an AAAA guy for a few years, he might be gone in October.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #226: August 21, 2023, 10:08:14 AM »
And never to be seen again in a Nats uni?
nah. Plenty of team control left if they want to keep him. Just a question of whether they will need the 40 man roster slot.

As for Kieboom, I imagine they will let him break in starting vs lefties and keep Vargas starting against RHP, at least for a while while they're winning. With success, PT will increase

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #227: August 22, 2023, 03:27:33 PM »
Starting at 3rd today!

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #228: August 22, 2023, 04:22:44 PM »
Tough to say, he played decently enough the few times he got in a game this month.  He could be a Sept 1 callup, although it'll probably be a catcher instead.  He could be an AAAA guy for a few years, he might be gone in October.
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He can’t freakin hit and that’s the issue why we got him.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #229: August 22, 2023, 07:45:34 PM »
this is the year

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #230: August 22, 2023, 10:00:30 PM »
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He can’t freakin hit and that’s the issue why we got him.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #231: August 22, 2023, 10:04:08 PM »
This comment did not age well.

It was in reference to Downs, not Kieboom.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #232: August 23, 2023, 02:24:46 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/08/23/carter-kieboom-last-chance-nationals/

Dougherty:

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“It almost felt like a debut, but a debut where I felt like I belonged and I felt like I was comfortable,” said Kieboom, who finished 1 for 3 in the Washington Nationals’ 2-1 win. “And I had a real game plan that I could stick to the whole time. In the past, sometimes I’d get away from myself. ... But today, I’ve had a year and a half to really think about what I want to do in the box and stick with it. So it made it a lot easier for me.”

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Previously, each time he came to the majors, Kieboom felt he would try to make changes to his swing instead of sticking to his approach. As a result, he would think too much and lose sight of what allowed him to have success in the minors. But he believes this time around, he’ll be okay as long as he focuses on his process, not his results.

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“I told him I was proud of him,” Martinez said. “He went down there and worked really hard to get back up here and has a good first day. It’s not always easy when you get hurt and you got to work your way back. He went through the process, and he did it well.”

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #233: August 23, 2023, 03:41:39 PM »
Guess who is playing 3rd today? :(

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #234: August 23, 2023, 03:59:01 PM »
Guess who is playing 3rd today? :(
seriously, are you surprised? Severino is a righty. Wait until the next losing streak or Kieboom rakes for a couple weeks like Garrett did.

Garrett / Call really is the model for Kieboom and Alu. Rake against opposite handed pitching and you get a chance to displace a weak hitting defensive wiz against same-handed pitchers. I'll stick my neck out and say Kieboom will get a chance against righties quicker than Garrett did if he rakes.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #235: August 23, 2023, 04:11:33 PM »
seriously, are you surprised? Severino is a righty. Wait until the next losing streak or Kieboom rakes for a couple weeks like Garrett did.

Garrett / Call really is the model for Kieboom and Alu. Rake against opposite handed pitching and you get a chance to displace a weak hitting defensive wiz against same-handed pitchers. I'll stick my neck out and say Kieboom will get a chance against righties quicker than Garrett did if he rakes.
No. Alu and Kieboom MIGHT have a future starting role on this team. Vargas does not. There is no reason to play him at all.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #236: August 23, 2023, 04:36:35 PM »
No. Alu and Kieboom MIGHT have a future starting role on this team. Vargas does not. There is no reason to play him at all.

well, so long as there's a remote chance at a wildcard spot, you play the team that gives you the best chance of winning.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #237: August 23, 2023, 04:36:43 PM »
some of this also is protecting Kieboom's head. Feed him the easy situations first, have success, then challenge. He's failed his past times in the majors, so I can see the step-by-step.

Also, I really am not that much against what you and Gata are saying. I do want Kieboom to get every day opportunities fairly soon, and same with Alu. I'd be more concerned if they were past Labor Day and they were still playing Vargas full-time.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #238: August 23, 2023, 05:25:51 PM »
Davey said that he also wants to protect Kieboom's arm and that he doesn't even go all-out during BP right now. A rest day is whatever.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #239: August 23, 2023, 05:57:32 PM »
Davey said that he also wants to protect Kieboom's arm and that he doesn't even go all-out during BP right now. A rest day is whatever.
Its bullcrap for Vargas

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #240: August 23, 2023, 06:30:36 PM »
Sure, let Kieboom start as often as possible. I was convinced when he hit that homer...first swing? Later, he missed badly, swinging uppercut. Other Nats seemed to be swinging for homers all night, so he was one of a collection. Let's see more.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #241: August 23, 2023, 07:31:06 PM »
Severino would have been a perfect soft landing

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #242: August 24, 2023, 02:54:06 PM »
I’m shocked dumbfounded aghast awestruck that he is 2 for 3 so far.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #243: August 24, 2023, 02:59:54 PM »
Definitely seems more comfortable this time around.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #244: August 27, 2023, 03:39:45 PM »
Back to hitting below his weight

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #245: September 07, 2023, 04:49:05 AM »
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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #246: September 07, 2023, 09:35:18 AM »
For fun, here's selected major league 2023 stats on Vargas, Kieboom, and Alu. Can you match them up without looking them up?

A: wOBA .272, xwOBA .292, 5.2 BB%, 6.5 K%, 30.0 HardHit%
B: wOBA .271, xwOBA .275, 5.3 BB%, 24.6 K%, 35.9 HardHit%
C: wOBA .287, xwOBA .252, 4.2 BB%, 22.9 K%, 17.6 HardHit%

I kind of don't think it is much of a mystery why this team was playing better with Vargas and Garrett in the lineup. Blankenhorn has been pretty good, but as soon as he was inserted, Thomas had problems.  That said, we have to find out about Alu and Kieboom.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #247: September 07, 2023, 10:04:09 AM »
For fun, here's selected major league 2023 stats on Vargas, Kieboom, and Alu. Can you match them up without looking them up?

A: wOBA .272, xwOBA .292, 5.2 BB%, 6.5 K%, 30.0 HardHit%
B: wOBA .271, xwOBA .275, 5.3 BB%, 24.6 K%, 35.9 HardHit%
C: wOBA .287, xwOBA .252, 4.2 BB%, 22.9 K%, 17.6 HardHit%

I kind of don't think it is much of a mystery why this team was playing better with Vargas and Garrett in the lineup. Blankenhorn has been pretty good, but as soon as he was inserted, Thomas had problems.  That said, we have to find out about Alu and Kieboom.

The strikeout numbers make A pretty easy, but the only differentiator between B and C is the hard hit rate.

Without looking:

A - Vargas
B - Kieboom
C - Alu

Just looked it up, I guess Kieboom really does just suck. Good for Alu though, hopefully it translates into actual production at some point.

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #248: September 07, 2023, 11:29:47 AM »
Clearly A is the better stat line, and the K rate does give it away. Vargas is just a much better contact guy now, who hits the ball hard enough that it "should" drop in for better production rates than the other two.

The hint on B and C is that the one with the softer contact actually has more homers, which explains the wOBA vs. xwOBA.

It's still such small numbers on Kieboom that it's hard to say "he's done" or "he's the one."   

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Re: Carter Kieboom: finally the year?
« Reply #249: September 07, 2023, 12:04:16 PM »
Give him the rest of the year. Same with Alu. Looks probably that neither is much of anything to build on going forward.