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2023 MLB Draft
« Topic Start: December 07, 2022, 10:52:54 AM »
Never to early to get giddy about prospects.

Mocks:

https://www.prospectslive.com/prospects-live/2022-mlb-mock-draft-n78w7-st9r4-wa35p-2n5ls-8addg-ed27s

2. Washington Nationals - Chase Dollander
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Chase Dollander, RHP, Tennessee
Not only is Dollander the cream of the crop in terms of college pitching this spring, he’s a metric-darling with unicorn traits that can be extremely tough to find. He checks a lot of boxes. Projection, production, performance and unique data. Dollander has a shot at becoming a frontline starter at the next level with an upper-90s fastball and a plus to double-plus slider. He mixes in an above average changeup that has been un-hittable for lefty bats. If he can repeat his 2022 in the SEC next season, he’s got 1.1 upside. He screams Washington Nationals too. There is a rich history of big conference, big performer starting pitchers going to Washington in the first round.

https://www.perfectgame.org/articles/View.aspx?article=21422

2. Washington Nationals | Jacob Gonzalez, SS, Ole Miss
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Gonzalez is one of the safer bets at the top of the class while still providing All Star potential. It is hard not to take the potential plus hit tool and projectable power that he provides. The Ole Miss shortstop has been productive since stepping foot on campus and should cement himself among the top picks with another strong spring. -Tyler Henninger

and another with Gonzalez going at #2 (though before the draft lottery)

https://www.mlb.com/news/2023-mlb-draft-mock

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Jacob Gonzalez, SS, Mississippi
A left-handed-hitting shortstop, Gonzalez had an OPS over 1.000 as a freshman at Ole Miss, and while he slumped down the stretch in 2022, he finished well in postseason play and still hit 18 homers. He also continued to show a very advanced approach at the plate, with many more walks than strikeouts, all coming while playing a premium position.

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Re: 2023 MLB Draft
« Reply #1: December 07, 2022, 11:08:32 AM »
It's pretty early to get excited about prospects, especially arms.  These guys have an entire season in which to acquire ruinous injuries.

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« Reply #2: December 07, 2022, 11:40:24 AM »
It's pretty early to get excited about prospects, especially arms.  These guys have an entire season in which to acquire ruinous injuries.
Yep. Dollander hasn't even had TJS yet.

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Re: 2023 MLB Draft
« Reply #3: December 07, 2022, 11:52:48 AM »
It's pretty early to get excited about prospects, especially arms.  These guys have an entire season in which to acquire ruinous injuries.

well, it's not like we have much else to get excited about....

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« Reply #4: December 07, 2022, 11:56:45 AM »
well, it's not like we have much else to get excited about....

The Rule 5 draft is today.  It's the only way to guarantee a championship next year.

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« Reply #5: December 07, 2022, 12:51:44 PM »
I'd role the dice on Dollander. The organization needs more pitching. Honestly, the organization needs more everything, including most importantly a new development team, but outside of Cavalli, the arms in the minors seem, meh at best. Then again, TINSTAAPP.

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« Reply #6: December 07, 2022, 05:01:12 PM »
I'd role the dice on Dollander. The organization needs more pitching. Honestly, the organization needs more everything, including most importantly a new development team, but outside of Cavalli, the arms in the minors seem, meh at best. Then again, TINSTAAPP.

In a perfect scenario we draft Dollander (assuming the Pirates take Crews) and given his age, he's goes down the Strasburg path and arrives here as a 21 year-old next season (he turns 22 in October). More likely, that sets up the 2023 rotation as Cavalli, Dollander, Gray, Gore, and Corbin unfortunately.

Based on potential, that's a pretty decent rotation.


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« Reply #7: December 07, 2022, 06:03:35 PM »
In a perfect scenario we draft Dollander (assuming the Pirates take Crews) and given his age, he's goes down the Strasburg path and arrives here as a 21 year-old next season (he turns 22 in October). More likely, that sets up the 2023 rotation as Cavalli, Dollander, Gray, Gore, and Corbin unfortunately.

Based on potential, that's a pretty decent rotation.



I think you're off a year. Even if Dollander is drafted by the Nats, he's not reaching the bigs as a 21 year old and joining the rotation in '23. Strasburg didn't even come up the year he was drafted. Best case is, he gets a couple starts after being drafted(I'm sure there will be inning restrictions as he approaches 100ip for thr first time) and then comes up in '24.

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« Reply #8: December 08, 2022, 02:28:43 PM »
I think you're off a year. Even if Dollander is drafted by the Nats, he's not reaching the bigs as a 21 year old and joining the rotation in '23. Strasburg didn't even come up the year he was drafted. Best case is, he gets a couple starts after being drafted(I'm sure there will be inning restrictions as he approaches 100ip for thr first time) and then comes up in '24.
Throw in a TJS and follow up season with innings limit and hes not really a rotation mainstay until the 2026 season.

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« Reply #9: December 08, 2022, 02:29:33 PM »


You can find some games with him.

His fastball is sitting 94-96 and he can paint the black. He also gets a ton of spin on it. He uses his slider on both sides of the plate.

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Re: 2023 MLB Draft
« Reply #10: February 17, 2023, 12:36:38 PM »
Revised rankings from Fangraphs: Dollander drops to 5th.

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2023-mlb-draft/summary?type=0&sort=-1,1

1 Dylan Crews   RF
2 Brayden Taylor 3B
3 Wyatt Langford LF
4. Max Clark   CF
5 Chase Dollander   SP

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Re: 2023 MLB Draft
« Reply #11: February 17, 2023, 02:49:52 PM »
No one has played baseball, so funny to have any movement.

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Re: 2023 MLB Draft
« Reply #12: February 17, 2023, 03:13:32 PM »
Dollander pitching for Tennessee tonight at 8PM on MLB Network

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Re: 2023 MLB Draft
« Reply #13: February 17, 2023, 11:42:25 PM »
Took the L
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Tennessee ace Chase Dollander had a decent start in his first outing of the season as the Friday-night starter. He had seven strikeouts in 4⅔ innings before reaching his pitch count. He allowed three hits and two earned runs, including a solo homer in the second from Arizona's Tony Bullard.

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« Reply #14: February 18, 2023, 02:00:04 PM »
Was only sitting 93-94 in the 1st.  Hung a middle middle slider for a solo shot in the 2nd


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« Reply #16: February 19, 2023, 10:29:45 AM »
Was only sitting 93-94 in the 1st.  Hung a middle middle slider for a solo shot in the 2nd

Struck out 7 in 4 2/3rds in his first start of the year though

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« Reply #17: February 19, 2023, 10:46:11 AM »
https://youtube.com/shorts/v1zAQaYc4QM?feature=share

A bit more from Skenes via Pitching Ninja

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« Reply #19: February 19, 2023, 11:17:04 AM »
Revised rankings from Fangraphs: Dollander drops to 5th.

https://www.fangraphs.com/prospects/the-board/2023-mlb-draft/summary?type=0&sort=-1,1

1 Dylan Crews   RF
2 Brayden Taylor 3B
3 Wyatt Langford LF
4. Max Clark   CF
5 Chase Dollander   SP

Fangraphs seems way more bearish on everyone (except Taylor).  Mlb.com seems to focus on effusive praise and upside talk

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« Reply #21: February 20, 2023, 04:35:03 AM »
Fangraphs seems way more bearish on everyone (except Taylor).  Mlb.com seems to focus on effusive praise and upside talk

Probably more realistic.

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« Reply #22: February 20, 2023, 12:30:44 PM »
If we go with a pitcher, at least with skenes if his arm implodes we could always trot him out as a 1B who could conceivably make the show

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« Reply #23: February 20, 2023, 12:56:19 PM »
If we go with a pitcher, at least with skenes if his arm implodes we could always trot him out as a 1B who could conceivably make the show

Either sarcasm or a wild thing to say about our 2nd overall pick.

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« Reply #24: February 20, 2023, 01:00:28 PM »
If we go with a pitcher, at least with skenes if his arm implodes we could always trot him out as a 1B who could conceivably make the show
Right. Thats exactly what the Rays were thinking with McKay