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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #425: February 26, 2023, 10:31:09 AM »
Machado gets 11/$350M from the padres.

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« Reply #426: February 26, 2023, 11:01:45 AM »
Machado gets 11/$350M from the padres.
It’s a bit confusing because he had like half of that left for six years for the current. So they added another five years. And no opt outs apparently and full no trade clause.

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« Reply #427: February 26, 2023, 11:04:47 AM »
I guess that means they have given up on signing Juan long term. Maybe Bezos will get in and buy the Nats with some of his spare change since he is apparently “disqualified” from bidding on the Commanders. And then use some funny money to sign Juan and a couple of others. I can always dream.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #428: February 26, 2023, 11:05:16 AM »
it will be interesting to see where the Padres go with Soto. They are losing two of their top starters to FA after this season as well.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #429: February 26, 2023, 11:12:42 AM »
Actually, no need to offer them anything.  I assume that any release of Song would be at the end of the Spring.  By that time, we should know if we are going to keep Thad Ward around.  If we are not keeping Ward, then we can claim Song when he's waived and release Ward.  I don't see the Nats keeping 2 Rule 5 pitchers around unless one can walk right into a heavy load.
I would not be surprised to see them work out a deal with Boston.  They have little or no chance of getting him back as he would not clear waivers. Of course maybe we should see if he can pitch first. 

Phillies all of a sudden have a bunch of good young arms near ready. Watched Andre Baker pitch a perfect inning yesterday. Upper 90s and a good curve. Great story.  Took a line drive off his ear as an 11 year old which caused him to be deaf in one ear. Gave up pitching (can’t blame him) to be a catcher and took up pitching again in college.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #430: February 26, 2023, 11:14:19 AM »
it will be interesting to see where the Padres go with Soto. They are losing two of their top starters to FA after this season as well.
Yes. They have big money tied up with Machado, Tatis and Bogarrts. Hard to see how they could afford another big contract. I believe they signed Darvish long term also.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #431: February 26, 2023, 11:27:53 AM »
Yes. They have big money tied up with Machado, Tatis and Bogarrts. Hard to see how they could afford another big contract. I believe they signed Darvish long term also.

i missed that, yeah 6/$108M for Darvish. Musgrove also got a big extension. I wonder if they move Tatis as it seems he's more valuable as a SS than an OF.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #432: February 26, 2023, 11:29:13 AM »
Machado and Xander come to about $60 million a year for the next 11 years. Yu is another $18 million per year for the next 6. Basically, Soto is going to require only another $8-15 million annual commitment for 13-15 years over the current commitment to make him the 3rd horse in the lineup for the next decade. I don't see that as unaffordable. The rotation is a bit short, but that's going to be fillable, perhaps not at the Snell/musgrove level

Edit- I missed the Musgrove extension. Having Yu and Musgrove for < $40 million gives them flexibilty.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #433: February 26, 2023, 11:47:30 AM »
The Tatis contract does factor in. It would be tricky to keep a 4th star at FA money in the lineup. They could use some cheap pitching. Yu and Musgrove is a start. Losing Hader may help.

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« Reply #434: February 26, 2023, 11:51:17 AM »
Machado and Xander come to about $60 million a year for the next 11 years. Yu is another $18 million per year for the next 6. Basically, Soto is going to require only another $8-15 million annual commitment for 13-15 years over the current commitment to make him the 3rd horse in the lineup for the next decade. I don't see that as unaffordable. The rotation is a bit short, but that's going to be fillable, perhaps not at the Snell/musgrove level

Edit- I missed the Musgrove extension. Having Yu and Musgrove for < $40 million gives them flexibilty.

Don’t forget Tatis who is another $25 million or so each year.  With the egos and personalities it seems doomed to me.  But we shall see. Didn’t they also spend big on the bullpen?

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #435: February 26, 2023, 11:54:04 AM »
They signed several pitchers in the off-season. Wacha. Pomeranz.  Lego. Suarez. Martinez.



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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #436: February 26, 2023, 11:55:30 AM »
Yes. They have big money tied up with Machado, Tatis and Bogarrts. Hard to see how they could afford another big contract. I believe they signed Darvish long term also.
Machado is off the books after this season. That plus Hader and Pomeranz is like 45 million off the books. Snell is also a free agent at the end of the season and they have  16 million dollar option on Nick Martinez.

Pads are fine, financially. Theyll move Bogaerts over to third, play Kim and Cronenworth up the middle until Merrell is ready. Grisham will lock down CF for a while.

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« Reply #437: February 26, 2023, 11:58:30 AM »
They’ve got a big payroll. Don’t see how they sign Soto.

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/breakdowns/payroll

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« Reply #438: February 26, 2023, 11:59:38 AM »
Machado is off the books after this season. That plus Hader and Pomeranz is like 45 million off the books. Snell is also a free agent at the end of the season and they have  16 million dollar option on Nick Martinez.

Pads are fine, financially. Theyll move Bogaerts over to third, play Kim and Cronenworth up the middle until Merrell is ready. Grisham will lock down CF for a while.
You’re late to the show. Machado just extended for another five years. Total of eleven years.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #439: February 26, 2023, 12:10:36 PM »
Machado is off the books after this season. That plus Hader and Pomeranz is like 45 million off the books. Snell is also a free agent at the end of the season and they have  16 million dollar option on Nick Martinez.

Pads are fine, financially. Theyll move Bogaerts over to third, play Kim and Cronenworth up the middle until Merrell is ready. Grisham will lock down CF for a while.

Not sure how Machado is off the Padres books, since he is signed through age 42 with a no-trade clause and no opt-outs.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #440: February 26, 2023, 12:12:27 PM »
Not sure how Machado is off the Padres books, since he is signed through age 42 with a no-trade clause and no opt-outs.
sources like Cot's have not yet been updated.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #441: February 26, 2023, 12:12:31 PM »
You’re late to the show. Machado just extended for another five years. Total of eleven years.
So I see. Surprising. I would have let him walk. Then again, I think hes team cancer.

Oh well, looking forward to rooting against the Padres more

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« Reply #442: February 26, 2023, 12:16:34 PM »
So I see. Surprising. I would have let him walk. Then again, I think hes team cancer.

Oh well, looking forward to rooting against the Padres more
Yea it was surprising.  I think Tatis is their issue for now. I don’t think he will be happy in the OF no matter what he says. 

They are not a likable bunch. The Dodgers are now their thrift spending rivals up the Interstate.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #443: February 27, 2023, 12:39:20 PM »
I don’t know much about the SD owner but losing money and using that to reduce taxes from other business might be attractive to him. Not sure if this has come up before but the Lerners already have so many advantages under tax law as real estate developers that they most likely would not need losses from the baseball team. Seem to have run the franchise to make money.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #444: February 27, 2023, 08:12:58 PM »
Gavin Lux carted off the field with a leg injury. No further details. Miguel Rojas is his backup.  They will miss Trea.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #445: February 28, 2023, 02:27:19 AM »
Boras wants to use Soto to reset the market.  No way he stays with San Diego.  The Padres are smart enough not to start bidding against themselves like plenty of other teams have done after falling under a Boras spell.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #446: February 28, 2023, 07:29:06 AM »
Re: Song - He hasnt pitched off a mound in three years up until about a month ago.

If they could phantom IL him for the first month of the minir league season and pitch him as a one inning reliever, he could be viable.

Also, when we go to war with Russia and China, he's getting recalled to active duty

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« Reply #447: February 28, 2023, 08:26:50 AM »
Re: Song - He hasnt pitched off a mound in three years up until about a month ago.

If they could phantom IL him for the first month of the minir league season and pitch him as a one inning reliever, he could be viable.

Also, when we go to war with Russia and China, he's getting recalled to active duty
My understanding is they have some grace period where he has to be ready.   So that may buy them some time beginning of year. He would probably take a Nick Nelson’s place as mop up guy. Interesting to see what happens.

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #448: February 28, 2023, 09:26:52 AM »
what was Song flying?  I think part of the issue was he was in a flight program, and the Navy is particularly reluctant to part with an USNA grad whoe went to a special school. 

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Re: 2022-23 Off-season (non-Nats)
« Reply #449: February 28, 2023, 09:43:01 AM »
what was Song flying?  I think part of the issue was he was in a flight program, and the Navy is particularly reluctant to part with an USNA grad whoe went to a special school. 

Helos.