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Offline imref

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Re: Nationals Players Booed at Nats Park
« Reply #25: October 17, 2022, 10:38:37 AM »
I assume Nyjer Morgan was booed quite a bit.

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« Reply #26: October 17, 2022, 11:34:48 AM »
I assume Nyjer Morgan was booed quite a bit.

Why?  He was nuts in an entertaining way and was one of maybe 8 or 9 guys on the 2009 team who had any business being on a major league roster.

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« Reply #28: October 17, 2022, 12:33:25 PM »


I mean I'd boo that play, but it's not like he was running himself into stupid outs twice a week. 

Which, considering how infrequently Our Man Vic actually gets on base, is a pretty impressive TOOTBLAN percentage.

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« Reply #29: October 17, 2022, 12:36:49 PM »
Morgan also would talk to the pigeons out in CF, which kind of earns him a pass on some dumbassery  :D

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« Reply #30: October 17, 2022, 12:41:45 PM »
Morgan also would talk to the pigeons out in CF, which kind of earns him a pass on some dumbassery  :D

Was it ever resolved whether the pigeons were talking to Nyjer Morgan or Tony Plush, though?

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« Reply #31: October 17, 2022, 12:48:12 PM »
Why?  He was nuts in an entertaining way and was one of maybe 8 or 9 guys on the 2009 team who had any business being on a major league roster.

Towards remembering why some might’ve booed:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2010/09/03/code

“Virtually all of it was grounded in the Code. A quick timeline:

Aug. 25: Morgan allegedly throws a ball at a fan in Philadelphia. The relevant unwritten rule -- somewhat unique, in that it has more to do with players' self-preservation than general respect -- says that ballplayers should never engage with hecklers because it rarely ends well.

In this case, the league quickly levied a seven-game suspension. Morgan, claiming a misunderstanding, has appealed the decision, and at least one fan has corroborated his account of throwing a ball to a fan, not at a fan.

Aug. 27: Morgan gets picked off first in the eighth inning of a close game against St. Louis, which proves particularly costly when the batter, Willie Harris, subsequently hits a home run. The Nationals lose, 4-2. Morgan is confronted after the game by Nationals manager Jim Riggleman, and dropped from leadoff to eighth in the batting order the following day.

Aug. 28: Morgan tries to level Cardinals catcher Bryan Anderson in a play at the plate, despite the fact that Anderson has his back to the play and is moving in the opposite direction. This means that Morgan's desire to take out the catcher draws him away from the plate; he's ruled ineligible to score when teammate Ivan Rodriguez spins him around near the edge of the cutout to go back and touch safely.

There are two sections of the Code at play here. One says that a runner should only try to take out a catcher when the plate is blocked so sufficiently that a slide would likely lead to an out. Even more importantly is the rule that says to never let personal vendettas get in the way of the team's success. In this case, Morgan's circuitous rout away from the plate was all about inciting violence -- Riggleman posited that Morgan was angry about his demotion, and took it out in any way he could -- and not at all about adding to his team's run total.

Riggleman was angry enough to call his player out in public, after apologizing to both Anderson and Cardinals manager Tony La Russa. Morgan did an "unprofessional thing," he told the media, and, indicating that lessons will be learned, said that "You'll never see it again." (In this regard, the manager was incorrect.)

He then benched Morgan for the series finale, under the auspices that the outfielder had become too prominent a target for the Cardinals to safely take the field.

Aug. 30: Morgan responds to Riggleman. "I guess he perceived it as some nasty play with the intentions of trying to hurt somebody before coming to me and asking me about the situation, which was very unacceptable," he tells The Washington Post. "But on my half, I'm not going to go ahead and throw fuel on the fire. I'm going to try to be as professional as I can about the situation."

It's frequently the case, of course, that whenever players feel the need to delineate the fact that they're being "professional," they're actually being anything but. (Code violation: Never call out your manager in public.)

Morgan, in fact, cited the unwritten rules in his own defense, saying that Riggleman "just basically did a cardinal sin. You don't blast your player in the papers." Unless, of course, his behavior has deteriorated to the point where the manager feels he has few other options.

Aug. 31: It doesn't take long to stir up more controversy. In the 10th inning of a scoreless game, Morgan runs into Marlins catcher Brett Hayeswith such force that Hayes is later shelved for the remainder of the season with an injured shoulder.

Unlike his last collision at the plate, Morgan did not go out of his way to reach his target, but consensus held that he would have been safe -- with the go-ahead run, no less -- had he slid. (See previous Code citation about running into catchers. The Marlins then won with a run in the bottom of the frame.)

When he took the field for the bottom of the inning, Morgan again got into it with fans, this time being caught on tape cussing them out. (See previous citation regarding fan interactions.)”

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Re: Nationals Players Booed at Nats Park
« Reply #32: October 17, 2022, 01:06:59 PM »
Thanks.  Enlightening in one sense - I now remember more clearly why I thought he was nuts - but I'm not seeing why any of those would cause me, as a home fan, to boo him. 

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« Reply #33: October 17, 2022, 04:41:12 PM »
There was also the time when Nyjer Morgan either bobbled the ball or outright missed it at the wall, and instead of running it down, he threw a temper tantrum instead. That was the last straw for me.

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« Reply #34: October 17, 2022, 09:09:35 PM »
I had forgotten all of Nyjer's shenanigans. The other guy who was kind of out there but in a different way was Elijah Dukes. He seemed to have a dark side.

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« Reply #35: October 18, 2022, 12:32:15 PM »
Not exactly "dark", but remember the "softball girls" game?   :hysterical:
I had forgotten all of Nyjer's shenanigans. The other guy who was kind of out there but in a different way was Elijah Dukes. He seemed to have a dark side.

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Re: Nationals Players Booed at Nats Park
« Reply #36: October 18, 2022, 01:08:48 PM »
"You dead dog." I ain't even playin'."

It's close, anyway.

I had forgotten all of Nyjer's shenanigans. The other guy who was kind of out there but in a different way was Elijah Dukes. He seemed to have a dark side.

Offline Chelsea_Phil

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« Reply #37: October 18, 2022, 03:26:00 PM »
I just read about Dukes wiki page, and that person is totally messed up.  I can’t imagine he was ever a good teammate.  Kind of like Papelbon, but 100 times worse.

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« Reply #38: October 21, 2022, 02:44:26 PM »
I'm sorry to say I don't know who Cheney is.

VP.  I think he stood in for Bush (Jr.) at one of the opening games.  Was definitely booed.

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« Reply #39: October 23, 2022, 06:24:36 PM »
Feel bad for Soto and Bell who did their part , not sure why Hader was not put in to face Harper.  Big mistake by Padre’s manager.

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Re: Nationals Players Booed at Nats Park
« Reply #40: October 24, 2022, 05:36:11 PM »
I mean I'd boo that play, but it's not like he was running himself into stupid outs twice a week. 

I remember him doing a lot of boneheaded crap in 2010.  The glove-throwing against the Orioles was the worst of it, but he was generally just committing really stupid gaffes and being frustrating.

Which is weird because, as you pointed out, he was actually pretty decent in '09.  Not sure what happened that offseason, but he came back in 2010 and really sucked.

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« Reply #41: October 24, 2022, 05:57:56 PM »
Feel bad for Soto and Bell who did their part , not sure why Hader was not put in to face Harper.  Big mistake by Padre’s manager.
I thought Smoltz's explanation was reasonable. At the start of the inning (before the first batter) he predicted that if they get the first batter out then Hader would come in.  If the batter got on, he wouldn't.  Getting six outs, PLUS having to worry about the runner, was more of a load than they wanted to put on him.  Getting five outs, and starting with bases empty, would have been much easier.

If it had been my decision, I'd have put Hader in to face Harper, finish the inning, and then consider putting someone else in to close.