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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #50: October 13, 2022, 05:09:53 PM »
Interesting concept.  I still like Soler as a DH.  We could shift Voit to 1st and Meneses to right, O'Neill in left, and Thomas or Robles as the primary CF, with the other as depth along with Yadi.
Soler would probably end up a platoon bat unless he really revitalizes his swing in DC


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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #52: October 13, 2022, 05:45:52 PM »
Soler would probably end up a platoon bat unless he really revitalizes his swing in DC
sure, and this is where Yadi is useful. 

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #53: October 13, 2022, 08:29:28 PM »
sure, and this is where Yadi is useful.

"Platoon DH" is not worth a roster spot, and neither of those guys can play in the field regularly. 

Remember, we're going back to defensive positioning next year that will make it much harder to hide goons in the corners by shifting every hitter and having said goons play 2 steps in front of the warning track. If a guy (particularly RF) looked bad out there with a screen of infielders playing in front of him this year, he's going to be unplayable next year. 

That's a polite and roundabout way of saying Meneses ain't playing any appreciable amount of RF next year without absolutely killing them.  If he and Voit are back, 1B and DH are mostly taken care of.  The team has holes in the outfield, but it needs guys who can actually play outfield.  Thomas probably plays RF and they'll probably keep Robles for CF, but the guy who fills LF has to actually be able to play defense.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #54: October 13, 2022, 10:37:41 PM »
"Platoon DH" is not worth a roster spot, and neither of those guys can play in the field regularly. 

Remember, we're going back to defensive positioning next year that will make it much harder to hide goons in the corners by shifting every hitter and having said goons play 2 steps in front of the warning track. If a guy (particularly RF) looked bad out there with a screen of infielders playing in front of him this year, he's going to be unplayable next year. 

That's a polite and roundabout way of saying Meneses ain't playing any appreciable amount of RF next year without absolutely killing them.  If he and Voit are back, 1B and DH are mostly taken care of.  The team has holes in the outfield, but it needs guys who can actually play outfield.  Thomas probably plays RF and they'll probably keep Robles for CF, but the guy who fills LF has to actually be able to play defense.
There arent any rules for shifting outfielders. And the infielder shift wasnt doing much for outfielders. They werent playing much deeper. Its really not that big a deal.

Soler could platoon LF with Hernandez, or even be a platoon DH with Voit. Voit is either going to get traded at next year's deadline.

Oh and we get a potential long term piece in O'Neill. Thats all three outfield spots giving you at least a .700 OPS, with LF close to .800 and RF over .800. Thats a pretty massive improvement over Alex Call and Josh Palacios

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #55: October 13, 2022, 10:45:18 PM »
If Meneses is raking at the next deadline and has proven he’s legit (130+ ops+) and we’re dead out of it, do we trade him?  And if so what would he fetch?

Gotta imagine you’d get even teams like the rays willing to give up prospects for the team control they’d get

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #56: October 14, 2022, 08:10:32 AM »
Meneses is a fascinating piece.  At $700-800K a year over his age 31-33 seasons, there's great value if he just settles in at a 3-2.5-2 WAR profile over that time.  Whether a contender would play that, I don't know.  Would he play for the Orioles, for example, with Mountcastle, Santander, Stowers?  Unlikely.  It's less likely if he's just a 2.5-2-1.5 guy.  It would take a specific team and a specific fit, and he needs to hit at say a 130 wRC+.

He's really a jury is out guy.  The "hold your horses" folks point to Frank Schwindel as a guy who had the 250 PAs of his life his first extended call up in 2021 and then played his way into a release in September this year.  I'm not sure who had a better track record in the high minors.  But if he really rakes, then it does open things up market-wise.  I'm guessing he is then viewed as a building block here for a cost-efficient ownership. 

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #57: October 14, 2022, 08:49:02 AM »
If Meneses is raking at the next deadline and has proven he’s legit (130+ ops+) and we’re dead out of it, do we trade him?  And if so what would he fetch?

Gotta imagine you’d get even teams like the rays willing to give up prospects for the team control they’d get
Again, that totally depends on what the young guys look like. If Gray improves to high 3 ERAs and Gore and Cavali show mid-to-low 3 ERA performance, then no. Meneses is a piece you want for a competitive run.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #58: October 14, 2022, 11:33:35 AM »
Meneses is a fascinating piece.  At $700-800K a year over his age 31-33 seasons, there's great value if he just settles in at a 3-2.5-2 WAR profile over that time.  Whether a contender would play that, I don't know.  Would he play for the Orioles, for example, with Mountcastle, Santander, Stowers?  Unlikely.  It's less likely if he's just a 2.5-2-1.5 guy.  It would take a specific team and a specific fit, and he needs to hit at say a 130 wRC+.

He's really a jury is out guy.  The "hold your horses" folks point to Frank Schwindel as a guy who had the 250 PAs of his life his first extended call up in 2021 and then played his way into a release in September this year.  I'm not sure who had a better track record in the high minors.  But if he really rakes, then it does open things up market-wise.  I'm guessing he is then viewed as a building block here for a cost-efficient ownership.


Looking at Schmindel versus Meneses, Joey seemingly hat a better batted ball profile through the minors than Frank. Sure, Joey could be the next Schwindel, but it's not like they are the same model player. Looking closely, Frank had more risk overall and Joey was probably just overshadowed by established MLB guys in his previous orgs.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #59: October 15, 2022, 05:46:40 PM »
TalkNats reports the Nats are buying out Cruz’s option.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #60: October 15, 2022, 06:01:13 PM »
TalkNats reports the Nats are buying out Cruz’s option.
their source is the guy who dresses up as Captain Obvious?

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #61: October 16, 2022, 09:37:42 AM »
their source is the guy who dresses up as Captain Obvious?
You are on a roll. Keep it going!!

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #62: October 16, 2022, 10:45:10 AM »
You are on a roll. Keep it going!!
Wish I had seen this.  Went to the Caps game last night and he was there.  Could have asked him.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #63: October 16, 2022, 06:32:29 PM »
Need to win that draft lottery first and foremost and draft Dylan Crews. Guy is an absolute monster with unreal power. MLB owes us for Soto.

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« Reply #64: October 18, 2022, 02:36:53 PM »
Need to win that draft lottery first and foremost and draft Dylan Crews. Guy is an absolute monster with unreal power. MLB owes us for Soto.

I think we need to go with Chase Dollander, RHP, Tennessee.

"While there's some debate about the top position player in the college class, Dollander is clearly the best pitcher. In his first season at Tennessee after transferring from Georgia Southern, he captured SEC pitcher of the year honors by going 10-0 with a 2.39 ERA and a 108/13 K/BB ratio in 79 innings. He throws strikes with four pitches, the best of which are a mid-90s fastball that reaches 99 mph with carry and a mid-80s slider that touches 91"

https://www.mlb.com/news/top-college-prospects-for-2023-mlb-draft

We have plenty of OF prospects but zero pitchers.

Out top 3 prospects are outfielders. Robert Hassell, Elijah Green and James Wood. 


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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #65: October 18, 2022, 02:41:50 PM »
C- Keibert Ruiz
1B- Joey Menesis
2B- Luis Garcia
3B- Carter Kieboom / Ildemaro Varga
SS- CJ Abrams
LF- Yadiel Hernandez / Alex Call
CF- Victor Robles
RF- Lane Thomas
DH- Luke Voit

SP- Josiah Gray
SP- MacKenzie Gore
SP- Cade Cavelli
SP- Patrick Corbin
SP- Victor Arano / Paolo Espino / Cory Abbott
Stephen Strasburg?

Closer- Kyle Finnegan
Carl Edwards
Anthony Machado
Hunter Harvey
Mason Thompson
Jordan Weems

Free agents:

Erasmo Ramirez
Steve Cishek
Sean Doolittle
Anibal Sanchez
Erick Fedde
Cesar Hernandez

It would be nice to bring back Cishek and Ramirez for the pen. Robles probably is back for his defense. We desperately need a 3B but the lineup looks serviceable. A #1 SP is a big need too pushing everyone else down.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #66: October 18, 2022, 03:42:08 PM »
I think we need to go with Chase Dollander, RHP, Tennessee.

"While there's some debate about the top position player in the college class, Dollander is clearly the best pitcher. In his first season at Tennessee after transferring from Georgia Southern, he captured SEC pitcher of the year honors by going 10-0 with a 2.39 ERA and a 108/13 K/BB ratio in 79 innings. He throws strikes with four pitches, the best of which are a mid-90s fastball that reaches 99 mph with carry and a mid-80s slider that touches 91"

https://www.mlb.com/news/top-college-prospects-for-2023-mlb-draft

We have plenty of OF prospects but zero pitchers.

Out top 3 prospects are outfielders. Robert Hassell, Elijah Green and James Wood.

Best player available.  That's not to say Dollander's not good - he is - but it is a near-certainty that at least one of the three above will never be a significant contributor at the major league level.  There is always room for more bats.  There is always also room for more arms. 

In the MLB draft, you're not picking a dude who's going to be on your team next week.  It's more like 3 years if you're pretty lucky.  You only get one first-round pick.  That guy gets tossed into the shuffle of your minor league system with every other guy you draft, plus the guys you sign internationally (and if you need more arms to counterbalance your high draft picks, you can do it there), plus the prior year's picks and signings, plus eventually the signings from the next year and so on.  Some dudes get hurt, others rise quickly, others never rise at all. 

When you're drafting, you have no idea what that process will look like over the 3 year horizon or so until you can expect a first-round pick to be near the horizon.  Maybe Cade Cavalli will have turned into Mike Mussina; maybe he'll be pitching for the Long Island Ducks.  Maybe you'll have had an astounding 80-win season and Rizzo will have traded Hassell for someone who hit .240 for the Diamondbacks 12 years ago in hopes of winning 82 games.  Maybe the current trend will continue and MLB rosters will have 35 players, 24 of whom will be relief pitchers.

Due to this unpredictability, draft the best player available.  (But if you think that player is a high school lefty, allow someone else to make the pick, because the best player available is not a high school left-handed pitcher.)

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #67: October 18, 2022, 03:47:31 PM »
Well the top 5 seem to be crews, dolla DET, SS Jacob Gonzalez, and high school OFs Walker Jenkins and max clark.  I’d like to stay away from the high schoolers and go with any three of those college guys as of now.  Should line them up to contribute around the time a lot of our current HS age crop should contribute (green, house, wood, susana, Lara, de la Rosa)

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #69: October 20, 2022, 06:36:07 PM »
Not sure how that is a tough decisions. Its a yes to everyone except Fedde

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #70: October 20, 2022, 08:04:30 PM »
Some thoughts about arbitration eligible Nats this year.

https://www.talknats.com/2022/10/11/washington-nationals-tough-roster-decisions-arb-eligible-players/


I see the point Talknats makes about Voit, but the Nats will give him every opportunity to turn it around just like they did with Bell and flip him at the deadline. Fedde is a pretty straightforward non-tender. I think Robles is retained only because new ownership won't be in place in enough time to pay anybody out there to fill CF. Maybe the new owners swing a trade for somebody like Kiermaier and dump Robles back to Tampa. Everybody else gets a contract.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #71: October 25, 2022, 05:57:37 PM »
According to 'Nationals News', Fedde will be in the starting rotation next season. We can barely contain our enthusiasm.... ;)

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #72: October 25, 2022, 06:23:55 PM »
Does the author drive a Delorean?

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #73: October 25, 2022, 08:18:44 PM »
According to 'Nationals News', Fedde will be in the starting rotation next season. We can barely contain our enthusiasm.... ;)


Nats can totally find better production out of a JAG on the open market for 3.6M which is what Fedde is projected to make in arbitration.

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Re: 2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #74: October 25, 2022, 08:41:30 PM »

Nats can totally find better production out of a JAG on the open market for 3.6M which is what Fedde is projected to make in arbitration.
He is not good but not sure you would find anything decent for $3.5 million. 

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