2022-2023 Off-season Discussion Thread

[zimm_da_kid]

Have to imagine next offseason we get our werth.

We’ll have
SS Abrams
LF Lane
1B Meneses
CF Hassell
C Ruiz
2B Garcia


So really what we’ll need is a power bat that can slot in at 3B, 1B, DH, or corner OF.

Ideally, machado would be great to stick it to Angelos.  Devers would also be great.  However, we’d probably be looking at the muncy, Chapman, Cron tier

[Senatorswin]

Have to imagine next offseason we get our werth.

We’ll have
SS Abrams
LF Lane
1B Meneses
CF Hassell
C Ruiz
2B Garcia


So really what we’ll need is a power bat that can slot in at 3B, 1B, DH, or corner OF.

Ideally, machado would be great to stick it to Angelos.  Devers would also be great.  However, we’d probably be looking at the muncy, Chapman, Cron tier

According to the Nats site Robert Hassell III could arrive in the majors in 2023. If he gets his beak wet in 2023 he should be full speed ahead in 2024. Machado would be a great get to fill the hole at third. That would be a nice way for the new owner to endear himself to the fans.

[Slateman]

Have to imagine next offseason we get our werth.

We’ll have
SS Abrams
LF Lane
1B Meneses
CF Hassell
C Ruiz
2B Garcia


So really what we’ll need is a power bat that can slot in at 3B, 1B, DH, or corner OF.

Ideally, machado would be great to stick it to Angelos.  Devers would also be great.  However, we’d probably be looking at the muncy, Chapman, Cron tier

If we sign that cockbag whiny freaknut Machado, I'm quitting the team

[blue911]

So put Slate down as undecided

[Natsinpwc]

Have to imagine next offseason we get our werth.

We’ll have
SS Abrams
LF Lane
1B Meneses
CF Hassell
C Ruiz
2B Garcia


So really what we’ll need is a power bat that can slot in at 3B, 1B, DH, or corner OF.

Ideally, machado would be great to stick it to Angelos.  Devers would also be great.  However, we’d probably be looking at the muncy, Chapman, Cron tier

Angelos doe not even know where he is anymore.

[imref]

We don’t do anything next season if the MASN/ownership situation isn’t resolved. 

[Senatorswin]

We don’t do anything next season if the MASN/ownership situation isn’t resolved.

I still say the court system should have to answer to somebody. It's just unconscionable for the court system to not act on a case that's been put before them. It's a rotten system that allows this to happen.

[Senatorswin]

If we sign that cockbag whiny freaknut Machado, I'm quitting the team

I think the 30 year-old Machado has matured some from the 22 year-old Machado. Reminds me of some other guy who plays right field for the Phillies. Well used to play right field anyway.

[Natsinpwc]

I still say the court system should have to answer to somebody. It's just unconscionable for the court system to not act on a case that's been put before them. It's a rotten system that allows this to happen.

Judges are elected in most places. However most voters don’t care.

[Slateman]

I think the 30 year-old Machado has matured some from the 22 year-old Machado. Reminds me of some other guy who plays right field for the Phillies. Well used to play right field anyway.

He's a freaking douchenozzle wussy



Yea, Im sure he matured. Keep that cancer away from this team

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Nobody's talking about top free agents. The guys being mentioned are cheap fill ins to make the team tolerable to watch, and maybe fillable midseason if they perform or if minor leaguers are ready

[JCA-CrystalCity]

The Nats aren't going to sign any top free agents until the outfielders in the minors are ready and they see what they have in the young pitchers. Rizzo has signed Trevor Williams which was a nice get, Candelario for some insurance at third who had a really nice year in 2021 leading the American league in doubles with 67 RBI's and a .271 average. They have some solid arms in the bullpen. The Nats will not be ready to compete in 2023 but hopefully by 2024 and then you can expect some free agent signings to put them over the top.

[Slateman]

Nobody's talking about top free agents. The guys being mentioned are cheap fill ins to make the team tolerable to watch, and maybe fillable midseason if they perform or if minor leaguers are ready

Yea, sorry, but no one mentioned makes the team "tolerable" to watch.

The worst place to be in sports is middling/below average. If you're not competing for a championship, then you need to be rebuilding

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Yea, sorry, but no one mentioned makes the team "tolerable" to watch.

The worst place to be in sports is middling/below average. If you're not competing for a championship, then you need to be rebuilding

#7 pick is all you get in 2024. No need to lose 100 games next year.

[welch]

The worst place to be in sports is middling/below average. If you're not competing for a championship, then you need to be rebuilding

If you are not winning games"then you need to be rebuilding". Baseball fans pay to watch games because their team has a good chance of winning. Baseball thrives as teams are a little above or a little below .500. If fans wait until their team is the 1950s Brooklyn Dodgers or NY Yankees, then everybody stays home. The season is dead.

I want the Nats to play respectable baseball, as they played in 2011. That team did not look like contenders, but they looked good and looked like they might do well in 2012. That would be great to see.

[Senatorswin]

Nobody's talking about top free agents. The guys being mentioned are cheap fill ins to make the team tolerable to watch, and maybe fillable midseason if they perform or if minor leaguers are ready

Yes, it would be ridiculous for them to of gone after the big free agents this off-season but if the young outfielders and pitchers come through like it's hoped then the next off-season it might be time to sign a top free agent or two.

[Senatorswin]

I think somebody in my position who was a diehard Senators fan in the 60's and then went 34 years without a team can be a little more tolerable of having a couple of down years. It was nice having a winner for 8 years and it does spoil one somewhat but hopefully the Nats will be back in the winners circle in another year or two.

[Slateman]

#7 pick is all you get in 2024. No need to lose 100 games next year.

Building a team to be "tolerable" does nothing.

If you are not winning games"then you need to be rebuilding". Baseball fans pay to watch games because their team has a good chance of winning. Baseball thrives as teams are a little above or a little below .500. If fans wait until their team is the 1950s Brooklyn Dodgers or NY Yankees, then everybody stays home. The season is dead.

I want the Nats to play respectable baseball, as they played in 2011. That team did not look like contenders, but they looked good and looked like they might do well in 2012. That would be great to see.

This isnt a 2011 caliber team. If they're insanely lucky, its 2010 levels. Its gonna look like crap and attendance is going to take another hit. DC fans arent going to want to go to the most expensive park in baseball to watch a 95+ loss team. The team as currently constructed is not good. They do not have a good chance to win.

[welch]

Building a team to be "tolerable" does nothing.
This isnt a 2011 caliber team. If they're insanely lucky, its 2010 levels. Its gonna look like crap and attendance is going to take another hit. DC fans arent going to want to go to the most expensive park in baseball to watch a 95+ loss team. The team as currently constructed is not good. They do not have a good chance to win.

Aim at a .500 team. That's what I wrote. When that happens, be happy. And, most of all, don't go slink away into a swamp until the Nats can compete for a championship.

[Slateman]

Aim at a .500 team. That's what I wrote. When that happens, be happy. And, most of all, don't go slink away into a swamp until the Nats can compete for a championship.

A .500 team isnt a good team.

And freak off with that "dont slink away" bullcrap. This team hasnt tried to compete in three years and clearly has no intention of competing in 2023. They put a crappy product out. So no, I have no intention of closely following a team that clearly doesnt give a crap about winning. And I'm damn sure not going to shell put $150-250 to drag my family to a game when I there are half a dozen minor league teams that offer a superior product at half the cost.

Strasburg and Corbin make up almost half the payroll. If the Nats didnt have them, they'd have the lowest luxury tax payroll in all of base all. The Nats arent trying to put together a good team. Or a competitive one. Or even a .500 one. Hell, I dont even think they're trying to put together a .400 win ball club. They dont care about their on the field product at all. So forgive me if I'm not going to get mildly invested in watching the Nationals be as cheap as possible so the Lerners can make slightly more money on the sale of the team. If they ever do sell.

[welch]

A .500 team isnt a good team.

And freak off with that "dont slink away" bullcrap. This team hasnt tried to compete in three years and clearly has no intention of competing in 2023. They put a crappy product out. So no, I have no intention of closely following a team that clearly doesnt give a crap about winning. And I'm damn sure not going to shell put $150-250 to drag my family to a game when I there are half a dozen minor league teams that offer a superior product at half the cost.

Strasburg and Corbin make up almost half the payroll. If the Nats didnt have them, they'd have the lowest luxury tax payroll in all of base all. The Nats arent trying to put together a good team. Or a competitive one. Or even a .500 one. Hell, I dont even think they're trying to put together a .400 win ball club. They dont care about their on the field product at all. So forgive me if I'm not going to get mildly invested in watching the Nationals be as cheap as possible so the Lerners can make slightly more money on the sale of the team. If they ever do sell.

Bye bye, then.

[imref]

"hasn't tried to compete in three years"?

Sigh...

[Senatorswin]

It's called rebuilding. In 2016 the Cubs won 103 games. The Red Sox won 93 and won the AL East. The Braves lost 93 and the Phillies 91. The Padres lost 94. The Astros won 84. The Rays won 68.

Now the Red Sox, Cubs are going through rebuilding. The Braves Padres, Astros, Rays, and Phillies have done it. After years of building the guardians and Orioles are knocking on the door.

The only ones that stay good year after year are the Yankees who have won 1 world series since 2000 and the Dodgers who have won 1 season shortened championship (they won 43 games) since 1988.

Everybody has to reload eventually.

[zimm_da_kid]

We have more pieces now then we did in 2011. 

If we draft one of the top 3 college guys next summer and they can contribute in an above average fashion by mid-2024 to go along with Abrams, Ruiz, Thomas, Garcia, Hassell, and wood.  If just 2 out of those 6 can be 115+ ops+ guys and 2 can be 95-105 ops+ guys we are legitimately a werth-level bat and a big FA pitcher from being contenders in the new expanded playoffs.

I think it’s likely that cavalli and gore top out at #2 starters due to their command.  Gray is a #3 if he can limit the homers.  What we’ll need is a #1 to push cavalli, gore and gray firmly to 2,3,4. 

Recent contracts given to rodon, gausman, the Castillo extension, and ray are the comps we need. 

By mid-2024
SS Abrams
LF Thomas
CF Hassell
RF Wood
1B Meneses
2B Garcia
C Ruiz
3B or DH - fa vet who can slug

Unless house turns into a top 10 overall prospect, him and vaquero could be the headliners in a deal for an SP next offseason or 2024 deadline. 

[Slateman]

It's called rebuilding. In 2016 the Cubs won 103 games. The Red Sox won 93 and won the AL East. The Braves lost 93 and the Phillies 91. The Padres lost 94. The Astros won 84. The Rays won 68.

Now the Red Sox, Cubs are going through rebuilding. The Braves Padres, Astros, Rays, and Phillies have done it. After years of building the guardians and Orioles are knocking on the door.

The only ones that stay good year after year are the Yankees who have won 1 world series since 2000 and the Dodgers who have won 1 season shortened championship (they won 43 games) since 1988.

Everybody has to reload eventually.

Red Sox and Cubs still spent money. Guardians have been putting competitive teams in the field since 2016.

The Orioles have been (and are) actively not competing in that division. They are refusing to spend money. They have one fluke season in the last five years. Their only saving grace is they have a GM with a track record of player development.

This isnt a reload. Its Year 4 of a full on rebuild.