NBA 2022-23

[JCA-CrystalCity]

That would not be enough. No one wants Davis. He cannot even score in the G League. The Wizards are unable to trade a first round pick until 2028 because of the Wall trade.

but . . . the Nets are getting an unprotected 1st rounder in the Irving deal, so 2028 may have some value.  That said, I like accumulating out-year picks, even #2s like in the Rui deal.  Basically, the Ainge strategy.

What would be the odds of having a healthy Durant, Porzingis, and Beale at the same time?

[HalfSmokes]

but . . . the Nets are getting an unprotected 1st rounder in the Irving deal, so 2028 may have some value.  That said, I like accumulating out-year picks, even #2s like in the Rui deal.  Basically, the Ainge strategy.

What would be the odds of having a healthy Durant, Porzingis, and Beale at the same time?

Second round picks are worthless. Late first rounder have trouble making teams, second rounders may as well be UFAs

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Second round picks are worthless. Late first rounder have trouble making teams, second rounders may as well be UFAs

Ainge used them pretty well.  A few played for some of the conference final teams.  Typically, you take a Euro and watch them develop a bit.

[Natsinpwc]

Ainge used them pretty well.  A few played for some of the conference final teams.  Typically, you take a Euro and watch them develop a bit.

Yea they have some value although I’m not always sure why because so few make it.  What’s his name in Philly did it before the league booted him. Mr. Tank Process.

[Natsinpwc]

but . . . the Nets are getting an unprotected 1st rounder in the Irving deal, so 2028 may have some value.  That said, I like accumulating out-year picks, even #2s like in the Rui deal.  Basically, the Ainge strategy.

What would be the odds of having a healthy Durant, Porzingis, and Beale at the same time?

I think the Nets are trying to use their first round picks to acquire guys to help Durant. Rather than trade him. 

[Natsinpwc]

Woj gave the Mavs a D for the trade. But I still like the risk for them. Also no agreement to extend him so far.  They were able to get rid of Dinwiddie contract and probably tried to get rid of the Bertans one also.  So they have some money freed up.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Woj gave the Mavs a D for the trade. But I still like the risk for them. Also no agreement to extend him so far.  They were able to get rid of Dinwiddie contract and probably tried to get rid of the Bertans one also.  So they have some money freed up.

what happens if they don't extend Kyrie?  He's $36 million.  I imagine that gets them some ability to sign FAs even if they are over the cap. 

Edit - the get $25 million in cap room if they don't re-sign him.

[HalfSmokes]

Woj gave the Mavs a D for the trade. But I still like the risk for them. Also no agreement to extend him so far.  They were able to get rid of Dinwiddie contract and probably tried to get rid of the Bertans one also.  So they have some money freed up.

When is the last time that Dallas was able to land a free agent? You want contracts to make trades work, freeing up space is only a good thing if ownership is too cheap to pay the tax or if you can land a free agent

[HalfSmokes]

what happens if they don't extend Kyrie?  He's $36 million.  I imagine that gets them some ability to sign FAs even if they are over the cap. 

Edit - the get $25 million in cap room if they don't re-sign him.

It would have to be a sign and trade for anyone comparable to Kyrie which means their bench gets that much thinner

[Natsinpwc]

When is the last time that Dallas was able to land a free agent? You want contracts to make trades work, freeing up space is only a good thing if ownership is too cheap to pay the tax or if you can land a free agent

They will find some guys who want to play with Luka.  They need a number two though.

[imref]

ESPN's Marc Stein reporting the Nets are looking at expanding the Kyrie trade to include Toronto. They would send Dinwiddie and picks for Fred VanVleet.

[GataNats]

Second round picks are worthless. Late first rounder have trouble making teams, second rounders may as well be UFAs

No.  Nikola Jokic, Jalen Brunson, Draymond Green, Goran Dragic, Khris Middleton just off the top of my head

[imref]

No.  Nikola Jokic, Jalen Brunson, Draymond Green, Goran Dragic, Khris Middleton just off the top of my head

Manu Ginobili was pretty good . But yeah, far more misses than hits in round two

[Natsinpwc]

No.  Nikola Jokic, Jalen Brunson, Draymond Green, Goran Dragic, Khris Middleton just off the top of my head

So 30 picks a year for the last ten years. So 5 of 300 picks are good players. The odds are not very good.

[Natsinpwc]

https://the-cauldron.com/the-2nd-round-and-misuse-of-probability-402639df1038

[HalfSmokes]

No.  Nikola Jokic, Jalen Brunson, Draymond Green, Goran Dragic, Khris Middleton just off the top of my head

Out of how many taken? 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

https://the-cauldron.com/the-2nd-round-and-misuse-of-probability-402639df1038

Out of how many taken? 

article is old but kind of answers the question.  About 10%. Only about 2.5% ended up all stars/ all NBA, and another 7% end up being positive / above average in terms of win shares per 48 minutes in their first 3 years.  Article suggests 2d rounders are more useful to rising teams.  No typical body type, position, or skills. 

[Natsinpwc]

Has there ever been less enthusiasm for someone breaking an all time record?

[Five Banners]

Has there ever been less enthusiasm for someone breaking an all time record?

Bonds?

[Natsinpwc]

Bonds?

Yea. Maybe. But Lebron is not a cheater. Just not likable.

[imref]

Yea. Maybe. But Lebron is not a cheater. Just not likable.

the f-bomb was a nice touch

[HalfSmokes]

Yea. Maybe. But Lebron is not a cheater. Just not likable.

Maybe my bar is low, but I actually like him. He's an awful GM, but aside from that you never really hear about him doing anything bad off the court. There are no real embarrassing photos or videos, no arrests, no baby mamas... He seems to really care about his kids. Again, low bar

[imref]

Maybe my bar is low, but I actually like him. He's an awful GM, but aside from that you never really hear about him doing anything bad off the court. There are no real embarrassing photos or videos, no arrests, no baby mamas... He seems to really care about his kids. Again, low bar

Yep. For a guy who has been in the spotlight since he was what, 12, he's handled himself remarkably well. He gets crap for going to Miami to be part of a super team, but so what?

[Natsinpwc]

He was pretty tone deaf on the rebuke of the Rockets owner on China. And slow to criticize Kyrie on anti semetic comments. One way social Justice warrior.

He does seem to be a good family man. I feel bad for the oldest son as expectations are being built up for him above what his talents seem to be.

And did you see Space Jam?

[imref]

Russ to the Jazz in a three-team deal involving the Lakers and Timberwolves.

The Los Angeles Lakers have agreed to a deal to land Minnesota's D'Angelo Russell, Malik Beasley and Jarred Vanderbilt in a three-team trade also involving the Utah Jazz, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski.

In the trade, the Timberwolves will receive guards Mike Conley and Nickeil Alexander-Walker and picks, while the Jazz will receive Russell Westbrook, Juan Toscano-Anderson, Damian Jones and a lightly protected 2027 Lakers first-round pick, sources said.