Author Topic: The Cavalli Has Arrived (delayed until 2025) - Cade Cavalli (Read 32125 times)

Slateman · « **Reply #375 on:** July 03, 2025, 09:11:56 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on July 03, 2025, 07:57:03 pm

He turns 27 this year, and is arb eligible next year. Can't really take longer.

Lol, what? He has three years left after this season. Plenty of time

Slateman · « **Reply #376 on:** July 03, 2025, 09:53:41 pm »

Didn't start tonight. Not listed as the starter in Rochester tomorrow.

He hurt again?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #377 on:** July 03, 2025, 10:03:11 pm »

Quote from: IanRubbish on July 03, 2025, 07:57:03 pm

He turns 27 this year, and is arb eligible next year. Can't really take longer.

doesn't get to arb until he's called up again.

nobleisthyname · « **Reply #378 on:** July 04, 2025, 07:45:52 am »

Quote from: Slateman on July 03, 2025, 09:53:41 pm

Didn't start tonight. Not listed as the starter in Rochester tomorrow.

He hurt again?

Maybe he's the starter for Sunday?

Slateman · « **Reply #379 on:** July 04, 2025, 08:08:15 am »

Quote from: nobleisthyname on July 04, 2025, 07:45:52 am

Maybe he's the starter for Sunday?

Sunday's starter is TBD. It would be Williams' turn but he would be on short rest. Monday is an off day. They could give Cavalli the start on Sunday and roll into Tuesday with Gore on normal rest. Or they could get everyone an extra day and put Williams or Irvin in the pen after their turn in the rotation

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #380 on:** July 04, 2025, 08:40:58 am »

I believe Fangraphs says he is starting Sunday. Saw a post about it on Reddit. Not sure if that’s based on any actual intel.

GataNats · « **Reply #381 on:** July 04, 2025, 07:50:10 pm »

Zero reason not to cut Williams. Putting him in the pen does nothing

imref · « **Reply #382 on:** July 04, 2025, 09:33:47 pm »

Nats Report also saying cavalli is being recalled.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #383 on:** July 04, 2025, 09:42:19 pm »

is it late enough in the year so he misses arbitration next year?

Slateman · « **Reply #384 on:** July 04, 2025, 09:48:11 pm »

Quote from: GataNats on July 04, 2025, 07:50:10 pm

Zero reason not to cut Williams. Putting him in the pen does nothing

Hes not going to the pen. Hes going to the IL. And he would be a massive improvement over Salazar.

aspenbubba · « **Reply #385 on:** July 04, 2025, 10:14:40 pm »

Everyone can dump on me but I believe Cavalli will not be a permanent part of the rotation and will end up as our closer. Unfortunate but he has not progressed enough in his rehab starts to show me he has the stamina to complete 5 or 6 innings and throw a 100 pitches. It shouldnt take this long to prove he is a starter.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #386 on:** July 04, 2025, 10:15:16 pm »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 04, 2025, 09:42:19 pm

is it late enough in the year so he misses arbitration next year?

He was optioned May 11, so probably needs a few more weeks.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #387 on:** July 04, 2025, 10:18:36 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 04, 2025, 10:14:40 pm

Everyone can dump on me but I believe Cavalli will not be a permanent part of the rotation and will end up as our closer. Unfortunate but he has not progressed enough in his rehab starts to show me he has the stamina to complete 5 or 6 innings and throw a 100 pitches. It shouldnt take this long to prove he is a starter.

Agree. He’s a 4 or 5 at best. Issue is Trevor Williams had the highest ERA among all MLB starters, and the lowest fastball velo. So it’s a low bar for any pitcher who takes his spot.

IanRubbish · « **Reply #388 on:** July 04, 2025, 10:19:47 pm »

Quote from: nobleisthyname on July 04, 2025, 07:45:52 am

Maybe he's the starter for Sunday?

They’ll probably wait to manage his service time clock.

Slateman · « **Reply #389 on:** July 04, 2025, 10:24:54 pm »

Quote from: aspenbubba on July 04, 2025, 10:14:40 pm

Everyone can dump on me but I believe Cavalli will not be a permanent part of the rotation and will end up as our closer. Unfortunate but he has not progressed enough in his rehab starts to show me he has the stamina to complete 5 or 6 innings and throw a 100 pitches. It shouldnt take this long to prove he is a starter.

They kept him down to keep his service time in check.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #390 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:04:24 am »

Quote from: Slateman on July 04, 2025, 10:24:54 pm

They kept him down to keep his service time in check.

it's complex because he got service time while he was on the MLB IL at the start of the year rather than in the minors.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #391 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:20:32 am »

he had 2 years, 41 days at the start of the year. Optioned on 5/11, so add another 46 days or so, and that 87 days towards his 3rd year. I guess that means about 85 days until he reaches 3 years. call up on sunday gives him 26 days credit for July, 31 for August, and 28 for September if he stays up to the end of the year. To me, that looks like 85 days, so it's touch and go and needs a more precise calculation.

imref · « **Reply #392 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:30:20 am »

2 years / 171 days is what i saw on x if he stays up the rest of the year.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #393 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:36:52 am »

He may not get credit for the day he's sent down, so it might be 171 days, precise.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #394 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:40:09 am »

Quote from: imref on July 05, 2025, 10:30:20 am

2 years / 171 days is what i saw on x if he stays up the rest of the year.

yes. When i posted the calculation in a comment on TalkNats, someone mentioned he doesn't get credit for 5/11, the day he was sent down.

Serendipitous that Williams got IL'd and will miss his start on Sunday, the precise day Cavalli could be called up. Makes you wonder if Williams was gutting through a last start or two with a sore arm.

Slateman · « **Reply #395 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:44:50 am »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 05, 2025, 10:04:24 am

it's complex because he got service time while he was on the MLB IL at the start of the year rather than in the minors.

Right. So between that and not pitching for two years explains why they've taken the course of action they did.

Slateman · « **Reply #396 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:45:39 am »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 05, 2025, 10:40:09 am

yes. When i posted the calculation in a comment on TalkNats, someone mentioned he doesn't get credit for 5/11, the day he was sent down.

Serendipitous that Williams got IL'd and will miss his start on Sunday, the precise day Cavalli could be called up. Makes you wonder if Williams was gutting through a last start or two with a sore arm.

Too much of a coincidence.

Question is, who do they turn to when the next arm goes down

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #397 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:50:51 am »

Quote from: Slateman on July 05, 2025, 10:45:39 am

Too much of a coincidence.

Question is, who do they turn to when the next arm goes down

I don't know if the timing on leaving Sunday's starter as TBA was before the rainout, meaning it was planned he take the Sunday start all along, or whether it went TBA once there was a rainout and it would be a short rest start for one of the Wednesday pitchers.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #398 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:52:04 am »

Quote from: Slateman on July 05, 2025, 10:45:39 am

Too much of a coincidence.

Question is, who do they turn to when the next arm goes down

as for next arm, it might be Lord, it might be Lara, it might Ogasawara if he figures things out.

imref · « **Reply #399 on:** July 05, 2025, 10:53:33 am »

Quote from: Slateman on July 05, 2025, 10:45:39 am

Too much of a coincidence.

Question is, who do they turn to when the next arm goes down

Alvarez is probably the next in line unless they decide to move Lord back to the rotation.

I assume Gray will be on a rehab assignment after the ASB and is likely back in August-September as well.