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Baserunning and Defense
« Topic Start: August 04, 2022, 08:13:13 PM »
I've thought we've been bad all year on the bases. Pulled up Fangraphs and it turns out the Nationals are #30 in the league in baserunning WAR by a massive margin. https://tinyurl.com/53ebn2pj

And they're barely ahead of the Giants for #29 in the league in defensive WAR. And it is a massive gap between #29 and #28.

That is horrible. I almost bumped the fire Martinez thread but I wanted to keep this to itself. Juan Soto and Josh Bell contributed a lot of that, but it is still pretty bad everywhere.

Has there ever been a team to finish last in both? This team could win a few more games next year by just giving half a care for defense and baserunning.

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Re: Baserunning and Defense
« Reply #1: August 04, 2022, 09:53:48 PM »
I know we all joked about Henley and previous iterations of the third base coach, but this year seems really bad.

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Re: Baserunning and Defense
« Reply #2: August 05, 2022, 08:21:41 AM »
I know we all joked about Henley and previous iterations of the third base coach, but this year seems really bad.
FWIW, the mouthpieces always used to praise Zimmerman as a baserunner.  He's gone.  I think some of the guys with less speed like Schwarber and Gomes (and before that Kendrick) at least knew they had less speed and didn't do stupid things. It might be a function of less veteraniness on the roster.  As for the team's overall ratings on FG, don't forget we had a super=skilled baserunner in Trea prior to this year, so that probably helped our overall rating in the past. TBH, now more than a few guys are pick ups from other systems with ingrained habits (Cesar, Franco, Thomas, Alcides and Gordon when they were with the team) so it is hard to pin the boneheadedness and the not picking up the 3rd base coach on the Davey and Disarscina. That said, we own Robles, Garcia, and used to own Soto's mistakes.

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Re: Baserunning and Defense
« Reply #3: August 05, 2022, 09:35:44 AM »
FWIW, the mouthpieces always used to praise Zimmerman as a baserunner.  He's gone.  I think some of the guys with less speed like Schwarber and Gomes (and before that Kendrick) at least knew they had less speed and didn't do stupid things. It might be a function of less veteraniness on the roster.  As for the team's overall ratings on FG, don't forget we had a super=skilled baserunner in Trea prior to this year, so that probably helped our overall rating in the past. TBH, now more than a few guys are pick ups from other systems with ingrained habits (Cesar, Franco, Thomas, Alcides and Gordon when they were with the team) so it is hard to pin the boneheadedness and the not picking up the 3rd base coach on the Davey and Disarscina. That said, we own Robles, Garcia, and used to own Soto's mistakes.
But if you pull the 2018 and 2019 Nationals stats, the baserunning and defense numbers pretty good. I don't think Martinez woke up in 2020 and said forget baserunning and defense.

I'm not certain what happened. Not to sound like some SABRmetrics dork, but instead of asking how we replace Barry Bonds in the middle of the lineup, we could ask the much easier question of how to get this team back to major league average on the basepaths and defensively.

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Re: Baserunning and Defense
« Reply #4: August 05, 2022, 09:41:50 AM »
But if you pull the 2018 and 2019 Nationals stats, the baserunning and defense numbers pretty good. I don't think Martinez woke up in 2020 and said forget baserunning and defense.

I'm not certain what happened. Not to sound like some SABRmetrics dork, but instead of asking how we replace Barry Bonds in the middle of the lineup, we could ask the much easier question of how to get this team back to major league average on the basepaths and defensively.


Stop trotting out trash? But seriously, it's like our coaching isn't adapting to the, uhhh, "abilities" of our current squad. I think now that we have a SS prospect best fitted as a SS, we can finally move Garcia over to 2B and train him defensively there. I don't know if Robles wants to learn, so I'm kinda giving up on the guy from a perspective of "putting it all together".