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« Reply #550: December 07, 2023, 01:35:40 PM »
I'm hoping they are bad enough and he's good enough that they will trade him at the deadline to another team with a legit shot at the playoffs.

Let's go Rizzo, LeMahieu, and Gleyber!

it's going to be interesting to watch. Fangraphs noted that if you take away Judge, the rest of the Yankees offense was worse than KC last year. Soto and Verdugo certainly improve things, but OF defense is still weak (and having to play Judge in CF raises injury risks).

Behind Cole their rotation is a huge question mark. It seems likely that they'll add at least 2 more starters, maybe Yamamoto.

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« Reply #551: December 07, 2023, 02:02:22 PM »
Question, what were the players the Yankees given up ranked in their system and how many were overall top-100 guys?

The Yankees farm system was ranked around 20th or below, and the Padres got a sampling of ordinary / mediocre pitching prospects. Preller got snookered again.

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« Reply #552: December 07, 2023, 02:05:01 PM »
The Yankees farm system was ranked around 20th or below, and the Padres got a sampling of ordinary / mediocre pitching prospects. Preller got snookered again.

Peeler has to cut cost and a rental with a $33 million salary has limited value, especially when so many teams are facing massive financial uncertainty

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« Reply #553: December 07, 2023, 02:17:32 PM »
The Yankees farm system was ranked around 20th or below, and the Padres got a sampling of ordinary / mediocre pitching prospects. Preller got snookered again.

King was projected as the #3 starter in the Yankees rotation next season.

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« Reply #554: December 07, 2023, 02:40:48 PM »
Peeler has to cut cost and a rental with a $33 million salary has limited value, especially when so many teams are facing massive financial uncertainty
It’s not a bad return.  They needed a starter and Higashioka is better than what they had at catcher (low bar).  One of the other might pan out.  In the end seemed like only the Yankees were bidding. 

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« Reply #555: December 07, 2023, 04:10:52 PM »
It’s not a bad return.  They needed a starter and Higashioka is better than what they had at catcher (low bar).  One of the other might pan out.  In the end seemed like only the Yankees were bidding. 
Its not a bad return if King can be a starter

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« Reply #556: December 07, 2023, 05:32:47 PM »
I’ll always love Juan. Hope he does great but the Yankees continue to suck :)

He's led the league in walks three years straight and will very likely be an on base machine for the Yankees.  But there will inevitably some negativity with the NY media he hasn't had to deal with in easier going DC and San Diego.  Will be interesting to see how he deals with it.

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Re: Juan Soto, Yankee
« Reply #557: December 07, 2023, 08:38:31 PM »
From The Athletic:

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As for the return, it was never going to be quite as good as what the Padres gave up since Soto can be a 25-year-old free agent at the end of the 2024 season. Still, King could be great — he put up a 1.88 ERA in eight starts at the end of last season after four-plus years as a reliever and has a career stat line that features a 3.38 ERA and 282 strikeouts against just 83 walks in 247 2/3 big-league innings. He’s also 28 and will be a free agent after 2025.

Michael King is heading to San Diego to provide pitching help for a depleted corps. (Eric Canha / USA Today)
Maybe King’s age is a perk. The Padres needed arms that are big-league-ready now, given the innings they lost to free agency (Blake Snell, Nick Martinez, Seth Lugo and Michael Wacha). Meanwhile, Thorpe (who was named the minor-league pitching prospect of the year) was the Yankees’ No. 5 prospect according to MLB.com and Vásquez was No. 13. Brito is 25 years old and under team control through 2029.

https://theathletic.com/5120717/2023/12/07/juan-soto-trade-yankees-where-will-aaron-judge-play-the-windup/

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« Reply #558: December 08, 2023, 06:54:20 AM »
King was projected as the #3 starter in the Yankees rotation next season.

A role he’s never held before, never even started 10 games in a season as he enters his age 29 season with only 2 years of team control.

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Re: Juan Soto, Yankee
« Reply #559: December 08, 2023, 07:50:39 AM »
It's just pretty wild that they could trade 10 pitchers in a bit over a day and still not give up Schmidt.

Thorpe is a nice piece. It's a reasonable package / salvage for one year of a guy with Soto's talent. I think it's mostly a high floor. King will give them something, even if the innings get to him. He's had a pretty good track record. Brito and Vasquez will be useful in the bullpen, although not Hader. Even Higashioka will start. It'll be interesting to see if the Padres get Lee from Korea

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« Reply #560: December 08, 2023, 11:06:35 AM »
A role he’s never held before, never even started 10 games in a season as he enters his age 29 season with only 2 years of team control.
Its interesting, Preller essentially did with Soto what I proposed with Lane Thomas. Gamble on a guy who could be great, but also has durability concerns.

If King goes the season as a number 3, its a really good trade for Preller. In fact, he gets that from King, the Padres probably push into the playoffs.

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Re: Juan Soto, Yankee
« Reply #561: December 08, 2023, 07:21:55 PM »
In a vacuum, it's an okay return, but run prevention was not the Padres' problem last year.  Considering they're probably losing Snell, it looks like their pitching staff is probably about the same with the line-up taking a hit.

We may never know what, if anything, was on the table before the trade deadline, but if there was anything with a good hitting prospect, it was probably a mistake not to go that route.

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Re: Juan Soto, Yankee
« Reply #562: December 08, 2023, 07:39:07 PM »
In a vacuum, it's an okay return, but run prevention was not the Padres' problem last year.  Considering they're probably losing Snell, it looks like their pitching staff is probably about the same with the line-up taking a hit.

We may never know what, if anything, was on the table before the trade deadline, but if there was anything with a good hitting prospect, it was probably a mistake not to go that route.
Uh ... they are losing a Cy Young pitcher. How is their pitching staff probably the same?

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Re: Juan Soto, Yankee
« Reply #563: December 19, 2023, 01:39:32 PM »
Sorry, should have said "about the same, at best."  This is assuming King and Thorpe can come close to replacing what Snell gave them.

My general point is still the same - pitching staff has gotten no better this offseason, and the line-up takes a serious hit.  Not trading Soto earlier may have been a massive mistake for them.