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« Reply #300 on: August 15, 2025, 10:22:00 am »
I think he's an asset. Not a high value building block, but one who can stick on MLB rosters.

If there were a prospect ready to try at 2nd or SS, then Garcia can be pushed aside. I know a lot of us think CJ's D is not SS quality, and there's value to seeing if he can play second before the offseason, but I don't see anyone pushing CJ over for the rest of the season. Had Nunez shown anything offensively, his D would make for a better case  as a regular.

2d base is a question mark going forward given Garcia's D.
Then let him be an "asset" on someone else's roster.

Hes accumulated 3 WAR in 5 seasons. He is what he is. Take some of Lowe and Garcia's arb money and go find a decent fielding shortstop

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Re: Re: Lowe Dfa'd welcome Back Crews
« Reply #301 on: August 15, 2025, 12:05:35 pm »
Then let him be an "asset" on someone else's roster.

Hes accumulated 3 WAR in 5 seasons. He is what he is. Take some of Lowe and Garcia's arb money and go find a decent fielding shortstop
I thought you were saying DFA now. That's not a good move. I could see not offering him arbitration this off-season as being a good baseball move and not just LAC. He's coming off of $4.5 million going into his 3rd of 4 arbitration years as a super-two. To bring him back will mean he gets $6-8 million.

as for the fWAR, Garcia has compiled 2.9 fWAR for his career, which includes last year's 3.0 fWAR. Take out 2024, and he's negative for his career. He definitely needs to show 2024 was not a mirage. Dom Smith had a good year once.

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Re: Re: Lowe Dfa'd welcome Back Crews
« Reply #302 on: August 15, 2025, 12:10:14 pm »
I thought you were saying DFA now. That's not a good move. I could see not offering him arbitration this off-season as being a good baseball move and not just LAC. He's coming off of $4.5 million going into his 3rd of 4 arbitration years as a super-two. To bring him back will mean he gets $6-8 million.

as for the fWAR, Garcia has compiled 2.9 fWAR for his career, which includes last year's 3.0 fWAR. Take out 2024, and he's negative for his career. He definitely needs to show 2024 was not a mirage. Dom Smith had a good year once.
Yes, DFA him now. Call up Franklin or Chapparo. Run platoons.

Edit: Call up Nunez. Put Abrams at 2B now

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #303 on: August 15, 2025, 02:24:43 pm »
Garcia needs to be DFA'd
If you're a platoon player, you better be veratile or a really good glove. He is neither. He's non-tender adjacent for me.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #304 on: August 15, 2025, 02:27:17 pm »
What is Garcia? After 570 games, he is a 3 WAR player. He is a 93 wRC+ hitter with -27 DRS at second base.

Why exactly are we keeping this? DFA him, put Abrams at 2B where he belongs, and play Nunez at short

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #305 on: August 15, 2025, 04:23:08 pm »
What is Garcia? After 570 games, he is a 3 WAR player. He is a 93 wRC+ hitter with -27 DRS at second base.

Why exactly are we keeping this? DFA him, put Abrams at 2B where he belongs, and play Nunez at short
He's still young enough I hate losing the asset but I’d have no issue with this.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #306 on: August 15, 2025, 05:16:32 pm »
The problem is that a Nunez for Garcia swap loses a lot of offense. Garcia has been #3 hitter and will probably find a slot a #5 if Crews moves to nnear the top.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #307 on: August 15, 2025, 05:25:32 pm »
The problem is that a Nunez for Garcia swap loses a lot of offense. Garcia has been #3 hitter and will probably find a slot a #5 if Crews moves to nnear the top.
I know I’m insane but I’d like to see Jose Tena get a long opportunity. He was shocking at 3B last season and was …. Okay this season? I think he could turn into a fine defensive 2B and I think he has hitting potential

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I also admit Abrams at 2B could be a good decision. Find a functional glove short stop and let Abrams take at 2B. Protect pitching

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #308 on: August 15, 2025, 05:40:16 pm »
The problem is that a Nunez for Garcia swap loses a lot of offense. Garcia has been #3 hitter and will probably find a slot a #5 if Crews moves to nnear the top.
Garcia is a #3 hitter because Davey and Cairo are stupid.

The top 5 of this lineup should be some combination of Abrams, Crews, Wood, House, and Lile. Those are the hitters we need getting the most at bats.

I know I’m insane but I’d like to see Jose Tena get a long opportunity. He was shocking at 3B last season and was …. Okay this season? I think he could turn into a fine defensive 2B and I think he has hitting potential

I am on an island

I also admit Abrams at 2B could be a good decision. Find a functional glove short stop and let Abrams take at 2B. Protect pitching
The problem is we have to get Abrams off shortstop. We cant keep running out someone who is that bad at defense. He either moves to 2B or to CF.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #309 on: August 22, 2025, 05:33:15 pm »
What do you make of trying LGJr at 1st?

Ian posted it's an LOD moment that they are even thinking of trying his bat there.
https://www.wnff.net/index.php?topic=41963.msg2369402#msg2369402


On the other hand, Stephen Newman at District on deck says he should get playing time there as part of a short term plan to cover the spot.

https://districtondeck.com/what-is-the-long-term-plan-for-the-nationals-at-first-base-01k36gz4jaxe

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To me, if Bell can't be an everyday first baseman, my preference would be for the Nationals to experiment with Luis Garcia Jr. He's a solid hitter, but his defense has been poor at second base. There's certainly an option for Garcia to DH some, but that would force a young outfielder to sit on the bench.

That would open up some time for someone else to play second base. Ideally, that player would be either Jose Tena or Nasim Nunez. Tena was never a fit at third base, but he's a more natural middle infielder, and a part-time role for a speed and defense player like Nunez is always nice to see.

Is Garcia likely to play much at first base, if it all? Perhaps not, but it could be a way to increase his value and make him a better roster asset, while also opening up a spot for other young outfielders.

re: Newman's idea - maybe you start Josh at 1st against RHP, then move Garcia over late for D and have DeJong play 2d? That strips the bench a bit. I prefer bringing up Franklin to adding another infielder for depth to do this.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #310 on: August 22, 2025, 05:52:10 pm »
Or, hear me out, bench Garcia, and non-tended him in the offseason

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #311 on: August 22, 2025, 06:06:31 pm »
I don’t know if they're think his bat is fixable.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #312 on: August 22, 2025, 06:15:34 pm »
It is if Garcia cares. But that should be determined somewhere else.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #313 on: August 22, 2025, 06:30:05 pm »
Or, hear me out, bench Garcia, and non-tended him in the offseason
Or cut cord today and call up Nunez or Lipscomb to take his spot. Let’s do it.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #314 on: August 22, 2025, 06:34:25 pm »
Um, why are we punting on a guy who put up a .761 OPS so far this year against RHP (including 9HR and 9SB).  Seems he could be a valuable platoon bat?

FWIW, here's how he ranks against all qualified 2B (17 in total):
Hits: 14th
2B: 2nd
3B: 9th (tied)
HR: 16th (tied)
SB: 13th
OPS: 11th

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #315 on: August 22, 2025, 08:44:59 pm »
So, other than doubles, he's median or worse among qualified 2d basemen. Now how does a below average 2d base bat translate to 1st?

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #316 on: August 22, 2025, 08:53:50 pm »
So, other than doubles, he's median or worse among qualified 2d basemen. Now how does a below average 2d base bat translate to 1st?
he’s at best a platoon bat against rhp

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #317 on: August 22, 2025, 10:27:26 pm »
he’s at best a platoon bat against rhp

Sadly, there are more right-handers, so Garcia would get most of the games. I think he is a pinch-hitter.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #318 on: August 26, 2025, 10:39:39 am »
I think some combo of Jose Tena, Paul DeJong, and Nasim Nunez could fill Luis Garica's spot next year at a fraction of the price while giving the Nats more versatility.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #319 on: August 26, 2025, 10:52:28 am »
Can Jose Tena field?

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #320 on: August 26, 2025, 12:46:33 pm »
Can Jose Tena field?
3B? Not full time. 2B as part of a rotation? Yes. And unlike Garcia, I think Tena can cover 3B/SS for a few innings or a game, which is a must as a lighter hitting backup or rotation player.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #321 on: August 26, 2025, 01:26:19 pm »
3B? Not full time. 2B as part of a rotation? Yes. And unlike Garcia, I think Tena can cover 3B/SS for a few innings or a game, which is a must as a lighter hitting backup or rotation player.
Are we sure?

Gonna be honest, we need to get CJ to 2B and find an interim solution at shortstop. And, no, it cant be Nunez.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #322 on: August 26, 2025, 02:33:57 pm »
Are we sure?

Gonna be honest, we need to get CJ to 2B and find an interim solution at shortstop. And, no, it cant be Nunez.

Not going to happen.  There's no one better than Nunez in the high minors and they're not going to spend the Lernerbucks to bring in anyone better.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #323 on: August 26, 2025, 03:44:31 pm »
Are we sure?

Gonna be honest, we need to get CJ to 2B and find an interim solution at shortstop. And, no, it cant be Nunez.
To save a long back and forth, I own a lot of Jose Tena stock. I bought it pretty low, and I'm going to hold it for now.

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Re: Luis Garcia Aspirations / Trepidations Thread
« Reply #324 on: August 26, 2025, 04:57:24 pm »
To save a long back and forth, I own a lot of Jose Tena stock. I bought it pretty low, and I'm going to hold it for now.
Tena has done absolutely nothing, IMHO, to make one think he's a legit major leaguer.