ON the thing about Livo being mentioned in the thred. I feel bad for the insult thrown in his direction in this thread, but then again baseball is a show-me-now/what-have-you-done-for-me-lately game. I rememebr Livan back in 05. He was a ce that year. 15 wins i think he had, and he eas an ining eater. If i could have back one pitcher in teh Nationals era at their peak itwould be the 05 Livan. Sadly tho when he departed fromt he Nats he wasn't playin his best baseball, and i gues thats what ppl will rememrb him for kinda like even tho JP has potential and showed it in 05 if he left the Nats org. today he would be rememrbered for being an pitching version of Escobar.