Author Topic: The 2022 injuries thread  (Read 2324 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline DPMOmaha

  • Posts: 22673
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #125: May 11, 2022, 09:55:29 PM »
There are guys who can get on base but not enough power to produce runs. Need to find some help for Soto and Bell.
they do a lot of things right offensively. 4th on mlb in avg and H. Don’t strike out a ton. But Not enough walks or HR.

Offline JCA-CrystalCity

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 34111
  • Platoon - not just a movie, a baseball obsession
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #126: May 12, 2022, 09:00:45 AM »
they do a lot of things right offensively. 4th on mlb in avg and H. Don’t strike out a ton. But Not enough walks or HR.
the pitching problems would be less noticeable if their defense was merely average.  We have the 4th worst BABIP allowed, which is an indicator of not being able to convert balls in play into outs.  We are middle of the pack in HR/9. 

The one thing that hangs the pitchers that's on them is they walk too many.  Even in the good outings, like Fedde and Corbin the last time through the rotation, they are giving up a ridiculous amount of walks.  Cincinnati is by far the worst, then comes the Nats at 4.09/9.

Offline imref

  • Posts: 37054
  • Re-contending in 2022
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #127: May 16, 2022, 12:14:09 PM »
Davey yesterday per Federalbaseball:

Quote
Strasburg threw 27 pitches, and hit 92 on the radar gun according to what manager Davey Martinez told reporters yesterday, and Ross threw 33 pitches, and got up to 95 MPH.

The plan is to get them 5-6 simulated game starts before deciding what comes next

Offline Elvir Ovcina

  • Posts: 4811
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #128: May 16, 2022, 01:30:53 PM »
Davey yesterday per Federalbaseball:

The plan is to get them 5-6 simulated game starts before deciding what comes next

So another month before deciding what comes next.  Does anyone expect Strasburg to get through a month of throwing without a setback?

Also, if he's topping out at 92 and that doesn't change, he's toast.  That means he's sitting at or below 90.

Offline JCA-CrystalCity

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 34111
  • Platoon - not just a movie, a baseball obsession
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #129: May 16, 2022, 04:44:52 PM »
Well, at this point, I expect his fastball will merely set up the change and the curve. I think he will still get 15-20 starts.

Offline Slateman

  • Posts: 59592
  • THE SUMMONER OF THE REVERSE JINX
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #130: May 16, 2022, 04:48:14 PM »
Nelson Cruz showed up sick to the stadium

Offline Elvir Ovcina

  • Posts: 4811
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #131: May 16, 2022, 04:53:43 PM »
Well, at this point, I expect his fastball will merely set up the change and the curve. I think he will still get 15-20 starts.

Fine in theory, but can a dude used to throwing 96 learn to do that on the fly?  Which way would you wager your $35 million?

Offline Slateman

  • Posts: 59592
  • THE SUMMONER OF THE REVERSE JINX
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #132: May 16, 2022, 05:03:51 PM »
Fine in theory, but can a dude used to throwing 96 learn to do that on the fly?  Which way would you wager your $35 million?
He's had diminishing velo for years. He may never been dominant, but his other pitches were more than good enough to be a decent starter throwing in the low 90s.

Offline Elvir Ovcina

  • Posts: 4811
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #133: May 16, 2022, 05:25:50 PM »
He's had diminishing velo for years. He may never been dominant, but his other pitches were more than good enough to be a decent starter throwing in the low 90s.

Hence the reference to the money. 

Offline welch

  • Posts: 14680
  • 2019: Won the fight
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #134: May 16, 2022, 05:35:12 PM »
Strassburg was about 94 mph ion 2019. If he's back to 92, he's close.

Offline JCA-CrystalCity

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 34111
  • Platoon - not just a movie, a baseball obsession
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #135: May 16, 2022, 05:38:23 PM »
Nelson Cruz showed up sick to the stadium
was he Foxing on the team bus?

Offline Mattionals

  • Posts: 5165
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #136: May 16, 2022, 08:02:53 PM »
Strassburg was about 94 mph ion 2019. If he's back to 92, he's close.


The difference here is that in 2019 he averaged 94. The report from Davey shows he is topping out at 92, which as per Elvir, means he is going to average about 90. That is a lot of velo to lose in three years time and learn to pitch differently.

Offline Natsinpwc

  • Posts: 21553
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #137: May 16, 2022, 08:31:32 PM »

The difference here is that in 2019 he averaged 94. The report from Davey shows he is topping out at 92, which as per Elvir, means he is going to average about 90. That is a lot of velo to lose in three years time and learn to pitch differently.
No one really knows what his fastball speed will be if and when he comes back. He may be trying to go easy at this time.

Offline JCA-CrystalCity

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 34111
  • Platoon - not just a movie, a baseball obsession
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #138: May 17, 2022, 10:05:06 AM »
The thing that makes me think Stras could survive a bit of a drop in velocity is that his secondary stuff is outstanding and he strikes me as having become the proverbial pitcher instead of a thrower.  I'm not sure an average around 90 would work, but I could easily see him doing well at 92-93 with command plus the curve and the change.

Offline Smithian

  • Posts: 10751
  • Sunshine Squad 2022
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #139: May 17, 2022, 10:31:07 AM »
The thing that makes me think Stras could survive a bit of a drop in velocity is that his secondary stuff is outstanding and he strikes me as having become the proverbial pitcher instead of a thrower.  I'm not sure an average around 90 would work, but I could easily see him doing well at 92-93 with command plus the curve and the change.
I agree here. I think Strasburg would be fine with a fast ball in the low nineties.

I don't really care how many starts he has this year. Just get healthy. Show us something. A major league average pitcher at this point would be a positive.

Offline Five Banners

  • Posts: 1556
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #140: May 17, 2022, 10:44:03 AM »
The thing that makes me think Stras could survive a bit of a drop in velocity is that his secondary stuff is outstanding and he strikes me as having become the proverbial pitcher instead of a thrower.  I'm not sure an average around 90 would work, but I could easily see him doing well at 92-93 with command plus the curve and the change.

 Especially given how he been known to use a good repertoire against both righties and lefties

Offline RobDibblesGhost

  • Posts: 31399
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #141: May 20, 2022, 06:10:42 PM »
Dave’s provided some updates today:

-TJ for Kieboom, done for the season

-Strasburg and Ross should begin rehab assignments soon

Offline Slateman

  • Posts: 59592
  • THE SUMMONER OF THE REVERSE JINX
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #142: May 20, 2022, 06:55:20 PM »
How long is TJS recovery for a position player?

Offline Elvir Ovcina

  • Posts: 4811
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #143: May 20, 2022, 07:21:56 PM »
How long is TJS recovery for a position player?

Around a year, sometimes less.  Corey Seager was back in less than a year, for example.

Offline imref

  • Posts: 37054
  • Re-contending in 2022
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #144: May 20, 2022, 10:29:57 PM »
Sucks for Kieboom. Kid can’t catch a break.

Offline welch

  • Posts: 14680
  • 2019: Won the fight
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #145: May 21, 2022, 08:24:41 AM »
How long is TJS recovery for a position player?

Post says:

Quote
But after feeling discomfort in a recent throwing session, Kieboom and the Nationals decided Tommy John was the best path forward. The recovery period is typically shorter for position players, meaning Kieboom could return by February and compete for a job in camp. Before hurting his elbow, he was supposed to do so with Maikel Franco in March — though Franco, who has played in all 40 of the Nationals’ games, is now even more solidified in that spot.

Offline Slateman

  • Posts: 59592
  • THE SUMMONER OF THE REVERSE JINX
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #146: May 21, 2022, 08:38:45 AM »
Im hoping this is what explains his sudden drop off in September last season

Offline JCA-CrystalCity

  • Global Moderator
  • ****
  • Posts: 34111
  • Platoon - not just a movie, a baseball obsession
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #147: May 21, 2022, 10:22:02 AM »
I assume he doesn't lose an option by being on the 60 day IL so they will be on the same amount of control next year?

Offline imref

  • Posts: 37054
  • Re-contending in 2022
Re: The 2022 injuries thread
« Reply #148: May 22, 2022, 12:21:25 AM »
Ehire Adrianza heading on a rehab assignment soon. Might be the end of the line for Escobar when he’s back