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Offline HalfSmokes

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« Reply #25: September 07, 2021, 11:36:24 AM »
Yep, once the carcass of the Big12 is done being plucked, I think the ACC is next. UNC and UVA make sense with UMD in the BIG10, Clemson and FSU or Clemson and Miami to the SEC

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« Reply #26: September 07, 2021, 11:52:41 AM »
The ACC will not die because of basketball. 

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« Reply #27: September 07, 2021, 12:01:56 PM »
I'm not sure basketball even matters. Duke can just go independent and do just fine and UNC and UVA to the Big Ten make it clearly the super power in basketball. Mark Turgeon might retire on the spot.

The ACC has spent a lifetime catering to UNC and Duke and because of that they will die.

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« Reply #28: September 07, 2021, 12:06:19 PM »
Eventually if the conferences become so big it’s meaningless and they will have to split into sub conferences. In other words they just become little NCAAs.

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« Reply #29: September 07, 2021, 01:00:07 PM »
The ACC will not die because of basketball. 

the big money for basketball is the tournament which gets split up by the NCAA. The big money for football is conference TV rights and bowl games which get split by conferences. A basketball based conference will have every school with a viable football team trying to exit

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« Reply #30: September 07, 2021, 01:02:18 PM »
Eventually if the conferences become so big it’s meaningless and they will have to split into sub conferences. In other words they just become little NCAAs.

I'm not sure that isn't the end game. Only those conference pack the schedules with each other and declare a champion based on their own playoffs and then maybe send their winner to play the other mega conference winner in a championship or 4 team playoff. Basically the same landscape that currently exists, but the scraps that get distributed to non-major or barely major conferences pulled off the table

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« Reply #31: September 07, 2021, 01:04:00 PM »
the big money for basketball is the tournament which gets split up by the NCAA. The big money for football is conference TV rights and bowl games which get split by conferences. A basketball based conference will have every school with a viable football team trying to exit
But the ACC already doesn’t have many football schools. Just can’t see UNC or UVA joining the Big Ten.

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« Reply #32: September 07, 2021, 01:06:25 PM »
But the ACC already doesn’t have many football schools. Just can’t see UNC or UVA joining the Big Ten.

It has Clemson which is enough to have valuable TV rights and to bring home a portion of playoff rights every year

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« Reply #33: September 07, 2021, 01:16:54 PM »
But the ACC already doesn’t have many football schools. Just can’t see UNC or UVA joining the Big Ten.

They're not going to go down with the ship. Maybe UNC but UVA should not have any allegiance to the ACC.

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Re: NCAA Football 2021-22
« Reply #34: September 07, 2021, 01:27:33 PM »
Yep, once the carcass of the Big12 is done being plucked, I think the ACC is next. UNC and UVA make sense with UMD in the BIG10, Clemson and FSU or Clemson and Miami to the SEC
I have a feeling the big conferences will split again at some point.  Once it is down to West (PAC 16) / North (B1G+ / South (SEC), someone will get the bright idea that they would have a better shot with a separate conference.  Also, once there's 3 conferences, you might see something like these conferences existing for football but having a separate conference for all other sports.  The NCAA gives a big incentive for smaller conferences in hoops and maybe in other sports.

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« Reply #35: September 07, 2021, 01:28:06 PM »
I think the Big Ten wants UNC. But I don’t think they leave the ACC without Duke. Would the Big Ten accept Duke? We saw with previous expansions that UVA is tied to Virginia Tech.
ACCs best chance is to convince Notre Dame they need to join a conference.

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« Reply #36: September 07, 2021, 01:38:26 PM »
I have a feeling the big conferences will split again at some point.  Once it is down to West (PAC 16) / North (B1G+ / South (SEC), someone will get the bright idea that they would have a better shot with a separate conference.  Also, once there's 3 conferences, you might see something like these conferences existing for football but having a separate conference for all other sports.  The NCAA gives a big incentive for smaller conferences in hoops and maybe in other sports.

I'm waiting for a few big conferences to decide to have their own basketball tournament. The NCAA gets the bulk of its revenue from march madness, at what point do the majors just opt out and have their own tournament?

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« Reply #37: September 07, 2021, 01:43:09 PM »
I'm waiting for a few big conferences to decide to have their own basketball tournament. The NCAA gets the bulk of its revenue from march madness, at what point do the majors just opt out and have their own tournament?

I think you could have an equivalent football product without the non major conferences. I think the basketball product without the smaller schools would be noticeably inferior.

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« Reply #38: September 07, 2021, 02:00:42 PM »
I think you could have an equivalent football product without the non major conferences. I think the basketball product without the smaller schools would be noticeably inferior.

maybe, but does CBS $770 million a year for a tournament without the ACC/Big10/SEC/Pac12? Meanwhile, if those conferences got together, how hard would it be for them to top their take from march madness?

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« Reply #39: September 07, 2021, 02:05:05 PM »
maybe, but does CBS $770 million a year for a tournament without the ACC/Big10/SEC/Pac12? Meanwhile, if those conferences got together, how hard would it be for them to top their take from march madness?
The charm on the ncaa tournaments is all the first round upsets and Cinderella teams. I don’t think the power five conferences are dumb enough to ruin that.

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« Reply #40: September 07, 2021, 02:07:01 PM »
maybe, but does CBS $770 million a year for a tournament without the ACC/Big10/SEC/Pac12? Meanwhile, if those conferences got together, how hard would it be for them to top their take from march madness?

This is the classic case of synergy. I don’t think CBS pays that much for a tourney of just those four conferences. And since I bet that since tomorrow big conferences make 70-80 percent of the revenue anyway, any saving from excluding the little guys will be offset by losses in total revenue.
The little guys aren’t going to get equivalent value on their own either.

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« Reply #41: September 07, 2021, 02:19:01 PM »
This is the classic case of synergy. I don’t think CBS pays that much for a tourney of just those four conferences. And since I bet that since tomorrow big conferences make 70-80 percent of the revenue anyway, any saving from excluding the little guys will be offset by losses in total revenue.
The little guys aren’t going to get equivalent value on their own either.

the big conferences actually get very little from the tournament

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/sports/ncaa-money/

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« Reply #42: September 11, 2021, 07:54:38 PM »
Toledo nearly beat ND in South Bend. They led for 3 quarters and then led again until 1 minute before the end of the 4th quarter.

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« Reply #43: September 11, 2021, 07:58:02 PM »
In news that will delight me for days, Oregon went into Ohio Stadium without their best player and beat Ohio State.

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« Reply #44: September 11, 2021, 08:01:51 PM »
In news that will delight me for days, Oregon went into Ohio Stadium without their best player and beat Ohio State.
I knew you would like that.  I wish I was back in Cincy so I could laugh at the OSU fanboys there.

Watching Miami struggle with Appalachian State. 

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« Reply #45: September 11, 2021, 08:13:24 PM »


Watching Miami struggle with Appalachian State. 


Did you see the cat falling from the upper deck at that game?


https://www.instagram.com/p/CTs2CwIM2JR/

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« Reply #46: September 11, 2021, 08:18:59 PM »

Did you see the cat falling from the upper deck at that game?


https://www.instagram.com/p/CTs2CwIM2JR/
Missed that.  No doubt trying to escape fans of the U. 

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« Reply #47: September 11, 2021, 09:30:05 PM »

Man...the once proud Texas program has really gone to crap...

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« Reply #48: September 11, 2021, 10:39:36 PM »
Man...the once proud Texas program has really gone to crap...

Are they sure they still want to move to the SEC? Lol.

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« Reply #49: September 11, 2021, 10:56:19 PM »
Are they sure they still want to move to the SEC? Lol.

Yeah. If you’re getting dogwalked by Arkansas, you’re going to have a rude awakening when you play a full SEC schedule.