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Offline Ali the Baseball Cat

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #125: February 08, 2022, 02:28:25 PM »
+1
Also, it sucks that we'll probably get the DH in the NL, and that is going to kind of hurt to me anyway.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #126: February 08, 2022, 02:56:34 PM »
They're going to lose games through April and then come back and run a bunch of terrible ads about THE KIDS featuring weird graphics and Fernando Tatis dancing and think they've solved all the problems.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #127: February 08, 2022, 05:02:25 PM »
I'm going through an exercise with my old ticket group gauging interest in a small package for next year.  We used to get 4 seats full season.  I'm having trouble coming up with half those commitments.  I'm mostly doing this because I have a ton of credit from last year, plus unused bonuses for renewing for 2021.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #128: February 08, 2022, 05:16:59 PM »
I'm going through an exercise with my old ticket group gauging interest in a small package for next year.  We used to get 4 seats full season.  I'm having trouble coming up with half those commitments.  I'm mostly doing this because I have a ton of credit from last year, plus unused bonuses for renewing for 2021.

 Gotta wonder if some of those involved in the CBA think a significantly shortened season will be fine because of 2020, not connecting the dots that 2020 was a different animal altogether

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #129: February 09, 2022, 05:48:04 AM »
If there's no baseball ( :() then you could answer the Call Of The Sherrin - the new Aussie Rules season is only six weeks away... :D

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #130: February 09, 2022, 02:36:43 PM »
MLB expected to announce a delay to the start of spring training as early as tomorrow per Maury Brown. He notes what may finally get the owners moving is that they have to pay back the RSNs for games missed.

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The delay to Spring Training affects more than just the gate and television. There are now gaming partners. And a host of local and national businesses are affected. Economic impact will be real — not as large as regular season delayed — but not insignificant.

https://twitter.com/BizballMaury/status/1491415971697160198

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #131: February 09, 2022, 03:03:56 PM »
MLB expected to announce a delay to the start of spring training as early as tomorrow per Maury Brown. He notes what may finally get the owners moving is that they have to pay back the RSNs for games missed.

https://twitter.com/BizballMaury/status/1491415971697160198

Players don't get paid for spring training, so they have a bit longer to not care

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #132: February 09, 2022, 03:06:34 PM »
MLB will require MLBPA pays more into escrow to pay for RSNs missing games :lmao:

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #133: February 09, 2022, 03:23:01 PM »
Players don't get paid for spring training, so they have a bit longer to not care

he mentioned that too. He also noted the pressure on owners from streaming services.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #134: February 09, 2022, 03:28:51 PM »
mlbtraderumors may be the saddest site on the internet right now

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #135: February 09, 2022, 05:14:34 PM »
mlbtraderumors may be the saddest site on the internet right now

Apparently you didn't read Zuck's latest post looking at our starting lineup for 2022?

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #136: February 10, 2022, 01:19:53 PM »
Manfred via Janes:
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"We've agreed to a universal designated hitter and eliminated draft pick compensation."

Ryan Zimmerman, your team is waiting for you.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #137: February 10, 2022, 01:44:48 PM »
Manfred via Janes:
Ryan Zimmerman, your team is waiting for you.
That makes me sad.    Pitcher's hitting adds so much to the game.   It's not just deciding when to pull pitchers and double switches.  It's building a batting order around a dead number 9 spot, and watching pitchers manage their way through the bottom of the line up knowing the pitcher's spot is coming up.  One big thing I'll miss is it makes the bench pretty much insignificant.   The other big problem is it is going to further make starting pitchers obsolete.   It's easier to "bullpen" when you don't have to worry about batting for your pitcher in the 3rd or 4th inning.   Also facing 9 guys paid to hit makes it harder to go deeper into games.   

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #138: February 10, 2022, 01:49:18 PM »
That makes me sad.    Pitcher's hitting adds so much to the game.   It's not just deciding when to pull pitchers and double switches.  It's building a batting order around a dead number 9 spot, and watching pitchers manage their way through the bottom of the line up knowing the pitcher's spot is coming up.  One big thing I'll miss is it makes the bench pretty much insignificant.   The other big problem is it is going to further make starting pitchers obsolete.   It's easier to "bullpen" when you don't have to worry about batting for your pitcher in the 3rd or 4th inning.   Also facing 9 guys paid to hit makes it harder to go deeper into games.   


I agree. AL baseball isn't real baseball. I will miss the game I grew up with.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #139: February 10, 2022, 02:59:43 PM »
I too miss the game I grew up with, so I'm very happy that the NL is adopting the DH. 

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #140: February 10, 2022, 03:01:09 PM »
I too miss the game I grew up with, so I'm very happy that the NL is adopting the DH. 

This. Let the pitchers concentrate on pitching, the hitters concentrate on hitting, and the rarities like Ohtani do both for as long as it works.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #141: February 10, 2022, 06:24:14 PM »
I too miss the game I grew up with, so I'm very happy that the NL is adopting the DH. 
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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #142: February 10, 2022, 09:22:41 PM »
Pitchers trying to hit mostly blows. For every Bartolo Colon hitting a HR moment there are a hundred rallies that end automatically when a pitcher steps to the plate with 2 outs in the 3rd inning. Even if you disagree with that, the injury angle is surely persuasive.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #143: February 10, 2022, 09:29:20 PM »
Pitchers trying to hit mostly blows. For every Bartolo Colon hitting a HR moment there are a hundred rallies that end automatically when a pitcher steps to the plate with 2 outs in the 3rd inning. Even if you disagree with that, the injury angle is surely persuasive.
Yep


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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #144: February 11, 2022, 06:49:50 AM »
Scrub reliever blasting the grand slam off Max last year sucked, and was pretty much the final nail in our coffin last year. 

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #145: February 11, 2022, 11:01:09 AM »
Scrub reliever blasting the grand slam off Max last year sucked, and was pretty much the final nail in our coffin last year. 

Nats fans should never forget Max nuked our season with the San Diego pants-crapting he did.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #146: February 11, 2022, 11:17:56 AM »
Yep

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that graph is interesting because the decline is steady and did not kink when the AL adopted the DH or when interleague forced AL pitchers to bat.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #147: February 11, 2022, 11:46:49 AM »
that graph is interesting because the decline is steady and did not kink when the AL adopted the DH or when interleague forced AL pitchers to bat.


I had the same thought.

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #148: February 12, 2022, 12:55:55 PM »
MLB continues to fight paying minor leaguers for spring training, arguing that the training itself is a form of payment: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/02/mlb-argues-for-minor-league-players-to-remain-unpaid-for-spring-training.html

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Re: CBA Negotiations- 2022
« Reply #149: February 12, 2022, 01:28:41 PM »
MLB continues to fight paying minor leaguers for spring training, arguing that the training itself is a form of payment: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/02/mlb-argues-for-minor-league-players-to-remain-unpaid-for-spring-training.html

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