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Soto is the only one of those that has any chance of historical significance.
That is one more than the Giants have.

JCA Note - this conversation started in a GDT about Nats underperforming their historical offensive production.  It got twisted a bit into whether Posey and other catchers measure up to HoF standards based on their offense.  The overall hall-worthiness of Posey, Mauer, and I'll add Molina is a fun discussion. First ballot, eventually in, borderline. Throw in any other catcher since the turn of the century if you want to make your case, other than Wil Nieves

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Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #1: June 12, 2021, 10:18:51 PM »
That is one more than the Giants have.
Posey is not significant?

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Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #2: June 12, 2021, 10:25:15 PM »
Posey is not significant?
.832 career ops, 154 hrs. Zim .819 ops, 278 hrs.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #3: June 12, 2021, 10:28:12 PM »
I didn’t say allstars or hall of famers

I specifically said historically good
Posey is historically good. He is a first ballot HoFer 5 years after he hangs em up.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #4: June 12, 2021, 10:29:07 PM »
.832 career ops, 154 hrs. Zim .819 ops, 278 hrs.
Too bad Zim didnt play catcher or win MVP

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #5: June 12, 2021, 10:29:32 PM »
Posey is historically good. He is a first ballot HoFer 5 years after he hangs em up.
I haven’t said Posey is not .

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #6: June 12, 2021, 10:33:39 PM »
Posey is historically good. He is a first ballot HoFer 5 years after he hangs em up.
No way, unless he gets hot at age 35. Ranks number 439 in career WAR. There are 239 players in hof.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #7: June 12, 2021, 10:35:06 PM »
I haven’t said Posey is not .
Buster Posey 1.008 OPS this season
Brandon Crawford - .903
Darin Ruf - .882
Steven Duggar - .861
Brandon Belt - .803

Yea, cant imagine why the Giants are in first place.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #8: June 12, 2021, 10:36:01 PM »
No way, unless he gets hot at age 35.
Lol, just stop talking.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #9: June 12, 2021, 10:36:35 PM »
Lol, just stop talking.
Wasn’t talking to you.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #10: June 12, 2021, 10:39:34 PM »
Wasn’t talking to you.
Which is why you quoted me. Go back to la la land where Josh Bell is a "historically good offensive player" and Buster Posey isnt a HoFer.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #11: June 12, 2021, 10:41:03 PM »
.832 career ops, 154 hrs. Zim .819 ops, 278 hrs.

Seriously?  I love Zimm more than anyone but that’s not a fair comparison

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #12: June 12, 2021, 10:42:25 PM »
Which is why you quoted me. Go back to la la land where Josh Bell is a "historically good offensive player" and Buster Posey isnt a HoFer.

Ranks 439 in career war. There are 239 players in hof, clown.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #13: June 12, 2021, 10:43:03 PM »
Seriously?  I love Zimm more than anyone but that’s not a fair comparison
Stats don’t lie.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #14: June 12, 2021, 10:45:21 PM »
No way, unless he gets hot at age 35. Ranks number 439 in career WAR. There are 239 players in hof.

He’s the 14th best catcher ever. He’s not a lock, but he’s getting there

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #15: June 12, 2021, 10:45:57 PM »
Stats don’t lie.

Zimm isn’t a catcher and never won an MVP

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #16: June 12, 2021, 10:50:51 PM »
He’s the 14th best catcher ever. He’s not a lock, but he’s getting there

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_C.shtml
Ok, borderline. But not a lock, which is what I was responding to.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #17: June 12, 2021, 11:03:51 PM »
catcher . Mvp. Hall of Famer

Joe Mauer? Higher ops, higher war, mvp, catcher.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #18: June 12, 2021, 11:14:43 PM »

Joe Mauer? Higher ops, higher war, mvp, catcher.

Yep, eligible in 2024

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #19: June 12, 2021, 11:19:36 PM »

Joe Mauer? Higher ops, higher war, mvp, catcher.
was on track before the move to 1st.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #20: June 13, 2021, 12:03:41 AM »
was on track before the move to 1st.

Is going to make it anyway.


Joe Mauer? Higher ops, higher war, mvp, catcher.

Mauer isn't eligible yet, and Posey was also the best position player on 3 WS winners.  He's not there yet, but Posey just turned 34.  He could potentially have quite a strong case with a good remainder of this season and one more.  Considering how he looks right now, that seems like a reasonably solid bet.

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Re: Re: Nationals vs Giants, Game 3
« Reply #21: June 13, 2021, 10:28:14 AM »
It is a nice discussion and I may move some of this to out of town, but Posey is a good  HoF case. 1st ballot is a stretch, but I think he's a likely. Some positions you can't straight compare offensive stats. The idea that a corner infielder with lesser O than a catcher is a comparable "star" I think is preposterous. But, how two of the best catchers of the 2000s compare to HoF standards is a good thing to talk about. Molina, Posey, then Mauer is my order.

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Posey is a better catcher than Mike Piazza, who made the Hall on his hitting, I'd say. Posey would have my vote. Catcher needs catching, game-calling, and hitting. That's why Del Crandall was outstanding, all-star, and so was Yogi Berra.

A problem with Posey: he plays out west someplace where we rarely see him.

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Piazza made it solely on his bat. Posey is a complete catcher. Molina made himself into a good offensive player for a few years, but his D gets him in. Mauer I think will be short. I think his time at first made him less outstanding

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Piazza made it solely on his bat. Posey is a complete catcher. Molina made himself into a good offensive player for a few years, but his D gets him in. Mauer I think will be short. I think his time at first made him less outstanding

Mauer looks a lot like Joe Torre.