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Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #175: April 12, 2024, 05:38:36 PM »
If Mizuhara bet $183 million, then he must have been pretty good at his bets in order to not have lost his shirt earlier. How much was Ohtani out on all this? Even Ohtani might have noticed $183 million. I wonder what loss had him go back to Shohei to grab the last amount.

Ohtani lost 16 million

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« Reply #176: April 12, 2024, 06:37:10 PM »
Ohtani lost 16 million
It's not like that is a rounding error, at least before the latest contract. How could he not notice?

Also, his translator bet $183 million and only lost $16 million? That's not bad.

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« Reply #177: April 12, 2024, 06:51:09 PM »
It's not like that is a rounding error, at least before the latest contract. How could he not notice?

Also, his translator bet $183 million and only lost $16 million? That's not bad.
I mean I have like $100 in my account and have probably bet $500 over the past few months.  The balance goes up and down.  We don’t know that the $16 million is all missing. Obviously some amount was gone and that’s why they alerted the authorities. 

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« Reply #178: April 12, 2024, 07:44:05 PM »
If Mizuhara bet $183 million, then he must have been pretty good at his bets in order to not have lost his shirt earlier. How much was Ohtani out on all this? Even Ohtani might have noticed $183 million. I wonder what loss had him go back to Shohei to grab the last amount.

He was $40 million in the red. I just can’t get around a bookie extending that much credit without being positive that Ohtani was the one on the hook for it

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« Reply #179: April 13, 2024, 08:51:48 AM »
He was $40 million in the red. I just can’t get around a bookie extending that much credit without being positive that Ohtani was the one on the hook for it

There was a text between Ippei and the bookie after this story was initially breaking where the bookie essentially said he knew it was all BS and just a coverup for Ohtani and Ippei replied that no, it really was just him (Ippei).

So maybe the bookie really did think Ippei was acting on Ohtani's behalf.

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« Reply #180: April 13, 2024, 02:04:50 PM »
I mean I have like $100 in my account and have probably bet $500 over the past few months.  The balance goes up and down.  We don’t know that the $16 million is all missing. Obviously some amount was gone and that’s why they alerted the authorities.

Right. He could have bet a total of $180+, but his exposure could have been considerably less.

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« Reply #181: May 10, 2024, 08:11:23 PM »
Ippei is just the fall guy. No way he gets the access to Ohtani bank account.  :hysterical:

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« Reply #182: May 18, 2024, 11:34:31 AM »
David Fletcher of the Braves being investigated for placing MLB bets with the same bookie as Ohtani's interpreter.


https://www.batterypower.com/2024/5/17/24159466/david-fletcher-investigated-mlb-for-gambling-ties-shohei-ohtani-ippei-mizuhara

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Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #183: May 18, 2024, 12:32:54 PM »
David Fletcher of the Braves being investigated for placing MLB bets with the same bookie as Ohtani's interpreter.


https://www.batterypower.com/2024/5/17/24159466/david-fletcher-investigated-mlb-for-gambling-ties-shohei-ohtani-ippei-mizuhara
can't wait until they get to Rendon or Trout.

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Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #184: June 05, 2024, 08:32:33 AM »
MLB announces the gambling investigation is closed and Ohtani is cleared.

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« Reply #185: June 05, 2024, 08:52:40 AM »
MLB announces the gambling investigation is closed and Ohtani is cleared.
Good to see that. So many assumed he was guilty.  Really naive though. “Hey boss, what’s your bank code again. I forgot”. 

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« Reply #186: June 06, 2024, 01:35:34 PM »
Good to see that. So many assumed he was guilty.  Really naive though. “Hey boss, what’s your bank code again. I forgot”.

Given the culture shock of going from life in Japan to the MLB, I'd be willing to bet Ohtani trusted his interpreter more than his family members. You're right that it sounds insane though.

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Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #187: August 24, 2024, 08:44:57 AM »
Joined the 40/40 club last night on a walkoff grand slam. Just put him in the HoF now.

Has a decent shot at 50-50
https://www.mlb.com/news/shohei-ohtani-chase-for-mlb-s-first-50-50-season

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« Reply #188: August 24, 2024, 01:58:45 PM »
Joined the 40/40 club last night on a walkoff grand slam. Just put him in the HoF now.

Has a decent shot at 50-50
https://www.mlb.com/news/shohei-ohtani-chase-for-mlb-s-first-50-50-season

Is there any doubt he would be a gold glove outfielder if he wasn't a two-way player? He just excels at everything.

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Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #189: August 24, 2024, 02:05:29 PM »
Babe Ruth was a great pitcher also and hit home runs when nobody else was. Sometimes he would have more home runs than entire teams. Ohtani might be the greatest player all-time.

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Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #190: August 24, 2024, 03:22:22 PM »
Babe Ruth was a great pitcher also and hit home runs when nobody else was. Sometimes he would have more home runs than entire teams. Ohtani might be the greatest player all-time.
I can't believe what I'm saying, but I think what gives Ohtani the edge is that he's doing the hitting while he is doing the pitching (other than his injured years in 2019 & 2024). Ruth more often just concentrated on one or the other (1918-19 being the exceptions).

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« Reply #191: August 24, 2024, 03:35:11 PM »
Here are some stats to aim for. Babe Ruth played 22 years and slashed .342/.474/.690. His slugging, OPS and OPS+ lead MLB for all time, plus a 183.1 WAR. Winning record every year of the 10 years he pitched: 94-46, .671 win percentage, 2.28 ERA and 1.159 WHIP.

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« Reply #192: August 24, 2024, 04:18:58 PM »
Here are some stats to aim for. Babe Ruth played 22 years and slashed .342/.474/.690. His slugging, OPS and OPS+ lead MLB for all time, plus a 183.1 WAR. Winning record every year of the 10 years he pitched: 94-46, .671 win percentage, 2.28 ERA and 1.159 WHIP.
not quite in the same league as Ohtani and Ruth is Smoky Joe Wood. In his great 1912 season, he hit .290 / .348 / .435 over 141 PAs for a 121 wRC+ while going 34-5 over 344 IP with a 1.91 ERA and 7.6 fWAR. He hurt his thumb fielding a bunt in 1913. He never really recovered and pitched through 1915 before missing 1916. Cleveland then bought him from the Red Sox late 1917, where he played OF with Tris Speaker (another former Red Sox). 1918 and 1922 were his best years as a position player (2 to2.2 fWAR), along with a nice 2021 playing part-time. His last season was 1922, then he became baseball coach at Yale from 1924-41. I think my uncle may have played for him since he was class of 1944. My Dad was class of '42 and I know my uncle was playing when my Dad was still in school.

Wood didn't pitch enough to make the Hall of Fame, really only with 2 outstanding years in 1911-12, nor would his hitting stand out on its own. Not an HoF guy, but between the pitching, hitting, and coaching, it's a real interesting figure in baseball.

He also watched the Darling vs Viola NCAA playoff game with Roger Angell, who memorialized his comments in his great article on that game.

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« Reply #193: August 24, 2024, 06:28:47 PM »
I can't believe what I'm saying, but I think what gives Ohtani the edge is that he's doing the hitting while he is doing the pitching (other than his injured years in 2019 & 2024). Ruth more often just concentrated on one or the other (1918-19 being the exceptions).

Baseball Reference has him tied with Mark Belanger in career WAR.

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Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #194: August 24, 2024, 07:24:28 PM »
Baseball Reference has him tied with Mark Belanger in career WAR.
I would have figured Belanger would be ahead by a nose if they were close.

Let's see where Ohtani is after 18 seasons in MLB.

Fangraphs has Ruth at 167 WAR hitting and 12.4 pitching.

Oh, Walter Johnson is 4th in WAR (116.4) among pitchers behind Clemens, CY Young, and Maddux. He has the most of any player to pitch only with one team. Gibson is 2nd and Kershaw is 3rd.

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« Reply #195: August 24, 2024, 10:17:17 PM »
Ohtani has had five two-way seasons in which he was both a hitter and a starting pitcher. In one of those seasons he won the AL MVP, and in two of them he was one of the best hitters in the AL while being arguably a #1 starter (defined as, is he one of the top 30 SPs in baseball). Ohtani also has one season in which he couldn't pitch due to injury and in that season he joined the 40-40 club and will probably win NL MVP. Ohtani will always be at a disadvantage compared to American and Latin American players in counting stats because he spent 4 years playing in Japan first.

Babe Ruth is Babe Ruth and Ohtani will never touch his offensive numbers. But Ruth only had one true two-way season in which he both pitched and hit. In some ways he is clearly inferior to Babe Ruth and in other ways he is doing things that neither Ruth nor anyone else in MLB history has done - or, if you want to grade him tough, that a vanishingly small number of people before him had done, mostly over a century ago. If Ohtani retired today I think he's already done enough to be a Hall of Famer. It's not just stats its the fact that he is unprecedented as a player.

Re: Shohei “Show Time” Ohtani
« Reply #196: August 31, 2024, 09:38:44 AM »
He is now 43-43. Can he make it to 50-50? Less than a month left in the season

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« Reply #197: August 31, 2024, 09:44:52 AM »
He is now 43-43. Can he make it to 50-50? Less than a month left in the season

The odds seem to be with him...and I wouldn't put it past him...

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« Reply #198: September 02, 2024, 08:21:03 PM »

44 & 46 after 3 steals today...

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« Reply #199: September 03, 2024, 06:03:13 AM »
24 games left.  :hysterical: