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nospinzone1

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #200 on: June 16, 2007, 08:58:01 pm »
nospin, the picture and the caption posted by NOTLD simply means that Jesus was tough enough, ready and able to take on all comers. There is nothing blasphemous about it.

To find out, I send a screen capture of it a priest friend I've know for decades, and his response was, and I quote, "Right on, Jesus. Ken, do you remember when you were young and I told you that Jesus was tough, because of what he had to endure for us. Well, now the word is getting out and that just shows it."

He said he was going keep the image I sent, because it was a another way of saying God is powerful and fears nothing.


FINE. I was never good at interpreting art.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #201 on: June 16, 2007, 09:16:14 pm »
FINE. I was never good at interpreting art.

That's funny because all along I thought you were objecting to the caption, not the image.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #202 on: June 16, 2007, 10:49:17 pm »
Actually, I didn't understand it either. I didn't know if it was supposed to mean that Jesus would beat up on a woman or something like that.

FINE. I was never good at interpreting art.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #203 on: June 16, 2007, 11:23:56 pm »
That's funny because all along I thought you were objecting to the caption, not the image.

ACTUALLY, BOTH.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #204 on: June 17, 2007, 12:15:29 am »
FINE. I was never good at interpreting art.

Even some experts aren't very good at interpreting art. Me, I just know that I like some art, and dislike some others...

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #205 on: June 21, 2007, 01:19:27 pm »
Elijah Dukes spazzing out on the radio

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Dukes Sounds Off On Radio Show
Posted By Carter Gaddis at Jun 19, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Updated Jun 19, 2007 at 01:22 PM


Devil Rays outfielder Elijah Dukes called the Ron and Ian Show on WDAE, 620 AM this morning and specifically spoke about allegations leveled against him by his estranged wife, NiShea Gilbert. Dukes also addressed the claim by a then-17-year-old foster child living at his grandmother’s house that the girl had been impregnated by Dukes, who denied the child is his.

Dukes called the show after several members of his family called Monday and Tuesday. Gilbert also called the show Tuesday morning, before Dukes’ call.

His main reason for the call seemed to be to dispute claims by callers that he had told his estranged wife and several other people that his mother used crack cocaine. His father was sentenced to prison when Dukes was 12 for killing a man who he claimed had sold his mother fake crack for $100.

“Ya’ll need to be more open-minded about the situation,” Dukes said. “The situation is, my dad, being who he is, he’s not going to talk to somebody with a crack problem. My dad never did drugs.

“You take $100 worth of crack in the ‘hood, you can flip that, right? So, why are ya’ll not thinking, OK, maybe they was drug dealers or something. Why everybody got to say, oh, she’s a crack head. Oh, that’s what they say.”

Dukes spoke rapidly, angrily and incoherently at times as the hosts occasionally tried to break in during his diatribe. The entire interview can be heard at the radio station’s Web site, 620wdae.com.

Here are exerpts from the interview:

Dukes on why he left Gilbert and whether he does believe he has an anger management problem:”I vowed when my father got locked up that I’d be the best father I can for my kids and I’d always be there for them. And that’s why I left her, because I know that if stayed with her, I’d eventually be in prison. Because she provoked me by hitting me. She done hit me across the head with picture frames and everything. You know what, I eat that because I told my kids that I would never go back to jail again for no domestic violence. I have made strides. Maybe I have a – I probably have an anger problem. But I’ve diminished my anger, and I know how to get rid of some of my problems to my anger. And she was one of my problems.”

Dukes on why he believes he hasn’t been in the Rays starting lineup since accusations surfaced that he had fathered a baby with the foster child:

“I am in a bit of a slump, because I’ve got all this other stuff going on. You know how hard it is to be away from your kids when you always been with your kids? Do anybody know how that feels? Ya’ll looking at all this other stuff. I could care less about what people say. What really hurts is I can’t be around my kids for a year. And that really hurt me, because you know what, I did everything I can.”

Dukes on whether he needs help, emotionally:

“Do I need help? No, I don’t need no help. Everybody needs guidance. Do I need guidance? Yeah, I need guidance. Sometimes you need somebody to talk to. But do I need help? No, I don’t need no help. How many times I ever shot someone? How many times I ever stabbed someone? How many times I ever beaten, brutally beaten somebody? Never.”

Dukes’ defiance:

“First of all, I have had a long … I grew up on the flipside of things. I didn’t grow up with no silver spoon in my mouth. I had to go through a lot to get to where I am today. Every time you get to the top, you always have those hyenas want to knock you down, as a lion.

“Right now, I have come a long way. You think back to where people said, you know what, I won’t make it. I’m here now. Did the people who said I wasn’t going to make it call me back and apologize? No. They try to find something else to knock me down with. But guess what? Nobody’s going to bring me down with all these accusations they making about me.”

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/dukes-sounds-off-on-radio-show

natsfan1a

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #206 on: June 21, 2007, 01:22:04 pm »
Coincidentally, I was just reading another piece on this call:

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/20/Rays/Dukes_sounds_off_at_c.shtml

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #207 on: June 21, 2007, 03:36:54 pm »
Yet another reason we need him...a man who knows where he stands in regards to fake crack  :icon_mrgreen:

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #208 on: June 21, 2007, 03:42:16 pm »
Elijah Dukes is talking his way into the Independent Leagues. Bowden, please, no!

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #209 on: June 21, 2007, 03:45:14 pm »
I'll give up on him once he's implemented in a steroid investigation. I don't care how he talks, as long as he does his job on the field. He's no worse that Sheffield was at a young age...and I would have taken him back then.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #210 on: June 21, 2007, 03:50:29 pm »
I vote no.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #211 on: June 21, 2007, 03:53:22 pm »
Lets take him. WE need a fiery type on this team.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #212 on: June 21, 2007, 03:58:09 pm »
Lets take him. WE need a fiery type on this team.

That's right..I'd get a Dukes Nats jersey. I know we're still talking about this a lot, but I think the chances of us getting him are below 5% now...it's still fun to imagine it, though.

Offline Dave B

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #213 on: June 21, 2007, 04:05:19 pm »
If the crack part in the beginning is a little confusing, I think I figured it out:

His mom wasnt a crack head, she was just a dealer (businesswoman). I guess we shouldnt assume that people who buy crack actually use it

And apparently held and guidance are vastly different things. Whatever you want to call it, I'm glad he realizes he needs one of them

nospinzone1

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #214 on: June 21, 2007, 05:37:41 pm »
Elijah Dukes spazzing out on the radio

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Dukes Sounds Off On Radio Show
Posted By Carter Gaddis at Jun 19, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Updated Jun 19, 2007 at 01:22 PM


Devil Rays outfielder Elijah Dukes called the Ron and Ian Show on WDAE, 620 AM this morning and specifically spoke about allegations leveled against him by his estranged wife, NiShea Gilbert. Dukes also addressed the claim by a then-17-year-old foster child living at his grandmother’s house that the girl had been impregnated by Dukes, who denied the child is his.

Dukes called the show after several members of his family called Monday and Tuesday. Gilbert also called the show Tuesday morning, before Dukes’ call.

His main reason for the call seemed to be to dispute claims by callers that he had told his estranged wife and several other people that his mother used crack cocaine. His father was sentenced to prison when Dukes was 12 for killing a man who he claimed had sold his mother fake crack for $100.

“Ya’ll need to be more open-minded about the situation,” Dukes said. “The situation is, my dad, being who he is, he’s not going to talk to somebody with a crack problem. My dad never did drugs.

“You take $100 worth of crack in the ‘hood, you can flip that, right? So, why are ya’ll not thinking, OK, maybe they was drug dealers or something. Why everybody got to say, oh, she’s a crack head. Oh, that’s what they say.”

Dukes spoke rapidly, angrily and incoherently at times as the hosts occasionally tried to break in during his diatribe. The entire interview can be heard at the radio station’s Web site, 620wdae.com.

Here are exerpts from the interview:

Dukes on why he left Gilbert and whether he does believe he has an anger management problem:”I vowed when my father got locked up that I’d be the best father I can for my kids and I’d always be there for them. And that’s why I left her, because I know that if stayed with her, I’d eventually be in prison. Because she provoked me by hitting me. She done hit me across the head with picture frames and everything. You know what, I eat that because I told my kids that I would never go back to jail again for no domestic violence. I have made strides. Maybe I have a – I probably have an anger problem. But I’ve diminished my anger, and I know how to get rid of some of my problems to my anger. And she was one of my problems.”

Dukes on why he believes he hasn’t been in the Rays starting lineup since accusations surfaced that he had fathered a baby with the foster child:

“I am in a bit of a slump, because I’ve got all this other stuff going on. You know how hard it is to be away from your kids when you always been with your kids? Do anybody know how that feels? Ya’ll looking at all this other stuff. I could care less about what people say. What really hurts is I can’t be around my kids for a year. And that really hurt me, because you know what, I did everything I can.”

Dukes on whether he needs help, emotionally:

“Do I need help? No, I don’t need no help. Everybody needs guidance. Do I need guidance? Yeah, I need guidance. Sometimes you need somebody to talk to. But do I need help? No, I don’t need no help. How many times I ever shot someone? How many times I ever stabbed someone? How many times I ever beaten, brutally beaten somebody? Never.”

Dukes’ defiance:

“First of all, I have had a long … I grew up on the flipside of things. I didn’t grow up with no silver spoon in my mouth. I had to go through a lot to get to where I am today. Every time you get to the top, you always have those hyenas want to knock you down, as a lion.

once a sleazeball always a sleazeball

“Right now, I have come a long way. You think back to where people said, you know what, I won’t make it. I’m here now. Did the people who said I wasn’t going to make it call me back and apologize? No. They try to find something else to knock me down with. But guess what? Nobody’s going to bring me down with all these accusations they making about me.”

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/dukes-sounds-off-on-radio-show

natsfan1a

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #215 on: June 21, 2007, 06:29:15 pm »
Thom Loverro has a link to the radio broadcast on the Times Nats blog. Sounds like Dukes has some major issues to work out. It's sad in a way.

http://video1.washingtontimes.com/chatter/

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #216 on: June 22, 2007, 12:05:50 pm »
Ken Rosenthal, yesterday, saying Nats are still interested. From mlb4u.com:

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Tampa Bay Devil Rays: It appears Dukes will be traded or released by the end of the week. Nationals are actively pursuing him and the Rays are willing to deal him. The Marlins are also interested in acquiring him, but only if the asking price is very low. The Pirates previously held interest in him.

I guess we're still "actively pursuing".

Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #219 on: June 22, 2007, 01:11:45 pm »
Just watch any of the homers on this page by Dukes. Man, I'll take that any day. He's a scary looking dude up there too.

http://tampabay.devilrays.mlb.com/multimedia/tp_archive.jsp?c_id=tb&ym=200705

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #220 on: June 22, 2007, 01:40:33 pm »
I hear the D-rays need a catcher aswell.
How about packing up Brandon Harper with Ray King or somebody whos stinking the place up since they seem to want to ditch him by this weekend. Hes now had another run in with a St Petersburgh Times reporter this time. He told him that hes going to get whats coming to him and cursed him out.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #221 on: June 22, 2007, 01:43:42 pm »
I hear the D-rays need a catcher aswell.
How about packing up Brandon Harper with Ray King or somebody whos stinking the place up since they seem to want to ditch him by this weekend. Hes now had another run in with a St Petersburgh Times reporter this time. He told him that hes going to get whats coming to him and cursed him out.

So is Elijah Dukes exhibit A for what Sheffield was talking about?

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #222 on: June 22, 2007, 01:55:02 pm »
So is Elijah Dukes exhibit A for what Sheffield was talking about?

Sorry what?
I didnt hear Sheffeild said anything about Elijah Dukes, can you post a link please.

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #223 on: June 22, 2007, 01:56:41 pm »
Elijah Dukes spazzing out on the radio

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Dukes Sounds Off On Radio Show
Posted By Carter Gaddis at Jun 19, 2007 at 12:38 PM
Updated Jun 19, 2007 at 01:22 PM


Devil Rays outfielder Elijah Dukes called the Ron and Ian Show on WDAE, 620 AM this morning and specifically spoke about allegations leveled against him by his estranged wife, NiShea Gilbert. Dukes also addressed the claim by a then-17-year-old foster child living at his grandmother’s house that the girl had been impregnated by Dukes, who denied the child is his.

Dukes called the show after several members of his family called Monday and Tuesday. Gilbert also called the show Tuesday morning, before Dukes’ call.

His main reason for the call seemed to be to dispute claims by callers that he had told his estranged wife and several other people that his mother used crack cocaine. His father was sentenced to prison when Dukes was 12 for killing a man who he claimed had sold his mother fake crack for $100.

“Ya’ll need to be more open-minded about the situation,” Dukes said. “The situation is, my dad, being who he is, he’s not going to talk to somebody with a crack problem. My dad never did drugs.

“You take $100 worth of crack in the ‘hood, you can flip that, right? So, why are ya’ll not thinking, OK, maybe they was drug dealers or something. Why everybody got to say, oh, she’s a crack head. Oh, that’s what they say.”

Dukes spoke rapidly, angrily and incoherently at times as the hosts occasionally tried to break in during his diatribe. The entire interview can be heard at the radio station’s Web site, 620wdae.com.

Here are exerpts from the interview:

Dukes on why he left Gilbert and whether he does believe he has an anger management problem:”I vowed when my father got locked up that I’d be the best father I can for my kids and I’d always be there for them. And that’s why I left her, because I know that if stayed with her, I’d eventually be in prison. Because she provoked me by hitting me. She done hit me across the head with picture frames and everything. You know what, I eat that because I told my kids that I would never go back to jail again for no domestic violence. I have made strides. Maybe I have a – I probably have an anger problem. But I’ve diminished my anger, and I know how to get rid of some of my problems to my anger. And she was one of my problems.”

Dukes on why he believes he hasn’t been in the Rays starting lineup since accusations surfaced that he had fathered a baby with the foster child:

“I am in a bit of a slump, because I’ve got all this other stuff going on. You know how hard it is to be away from your kids when you always been with your kids? Do anybody know how that feels? Ya’ll looking at all this other stuff. I could care less about what people say. What really hurts is I can’t be around my kids for a year. And that really hurt me, because you know what, I did everything I can.”

Dukes on whether he needs help, emotionally:

“Do I need help? No, I don’t need no help. Everybody needs guidance. Do I need guidance? Yeah, I need guidance. Sometimes you need somebody to talk to. But do I need help? No, I don’t need no help. How many times I ever shot someone? How many times I ever stabbed someone? How many times I ever beaten, brutally beaten somebody? Never.”

Dukes’ defiance:

“First of all, I have had a long … I grew up on the flipside of things. I didn’t grow up with no silver spoon in my mouth. I had to go through a lot to get to where I am today. Every time you get to the top, you always have those hyenas want to knock you down, as a lion.

“Right now, I have come a long way. You think back to where people said, you know what, I won’t make it. I’m here now. Did the people who said I wasn’t going to make it call me back and apologize? No. They try to find something else to knock me down with. But guess what? Nobody’s going to bring me down with all these accusations they making about me.”

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/comments/dukes-sounds-off-on-radio-show

He sounds totally different after all of this mess. Read this which was a interview before all this happened he sounds a bit more intelligent.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/261133.html

Prospect Q&A: Elijah Dukes

By Chris Kline
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Editor's note: Baseball America recently ran a story on Devil Rays outfielder Elijah Dukes that delved into his troubled background and whether he'd be able to put his past behind him. We heard that Dukes wasn't happy with one passage from the story that talked about him attending four high schools in four years prior to being a third-round pick in 2002 out of Hillsborough High in Tampa.

Because Dukes is just down the street from Baseball America HQ at Triple-A Durham this season, we had the opportunity to talk to him about the story and give him a chance to fully discuss his perspective on it. So Chris Kline, who wrote the original Dukes feature, interviewed him before a recent home game:

Kline: So I understand you were saying that you getting kicked out of one high school simply isn't true, but in all my research, I came to the conclusion that you had indeed been expelled. You said before if we wanted the truth about you to come to the horse's mouth, so what is the truth?

Elijah Dukes: I got suspended probably five times (through high school) and all that stuff comes from goofing off--never fighting--goofing off.

Kline: But in my research, I found that there was an expulsion.

Dukes: See, what happened was, a teacher said I hit him, but then they found out I didn't hit him because everybody wrote a letter saying, "Hey, this guy didn't do nothing. The teacher bumped into Elijah, you know?" So it was just people taking the teacher's word over the student's word. They went ahead and did a whole investigation and found out I didn't do it. I had to make up four classes in two weeks (after being suspended) and I passed all of them and finally ended up graduating.

But yeah, the teacher was trying to say that I pushed him, but everyone knew he bumped into me and it started this whole mess. They had to interview a ton of students, investigated it and found out I didn't do anything. They apologized for it and the teacher ended up quitting, but I kind of had to go through the wringer with everything.

You said I got kicked out of every school and when I read that, I couldn't believe it because I never got kicked out. If anything, it was other schools recruiting me to go there. That's why I went to four schools in four years. They want the best guys at their schools and they do all kinds of things to get coaches to get you there.

Kline: It kind of seems like all of this stuff in your background seems to have gotten a little overblown--like it's become bigger than you.

Dukes: I think it definitely has and I want people to know what I'm all about because this whole image thing has gotten out of hand. It's probably always going to be there, though, and I'm just trying to go out, play baseball and get to the next level and stay there for a long time.

Kline: So have you been settling in here in Durham?

Dukes: This is great, we have a nice team here and everything. Unfortunately I got off to a little shaky start and I've been battling up there trying to get settled in. I haven't really got settled in yet. It's coming along. I'm not doing too bad, but I'm not doing as well as I should be doing. I'm going to start working extra to get back to where I was in spring training.

Kline: Is it something where you feel like you need to change your approach, or is it adjusting to Triple-A for the first time?

Dukes: I'm getting a little too aggressive again instead of being more selective. I'm not being calm and selective, I'm getting aggressive up there every time and it's almost getting the best of me consistently. I'm throwing my hands out there so quick and I'm not even really seeing the pitches. I just need to get up there and get back to being where I was in the spring.

Kline: What's one thing you want to accomplish off the field this season?

Dukes: I'm all in-house during the season, so I haven't really been able to check out the city at all. Eventually I'm going to try to get a vehicle up here and I like to try to visit some of the schools where kids aren't as fortunate as other kids. I like to go visit with them, tell them stuff about me and where I came from, visit the Boys and Girls Clubs and play ping-pong with them, stuff like that so they see that people in my situation are people too. That's definitely one thing I really like to do.

Kline: Anything else you want to clear the record on?

Dukes: The thing about my mom. (According to Tampa police, Elijah's father fatally shot a man who sold $100 of fake crack cocaine to Elijah's mother.) I mean, maybe the police wrote it or whatever, but when I ask people about it, it's always a different story every time. No one really knows the truth about what happened that night. So I don't think that should really be in any stories when it comes down to my family history. You get so many stories and the police people put it in there--they're going to put the story in there that makes it easy, make it easier for them to indict somebody. They're going to flip the story a little bit.

Kline: You were saying earlier that your approach at the plate was aggressive, but if that's aggressive, then your approach on the bases is even more so. I think anyone can see that when you're barreling down on a second baseman trying to break up a double play . . .

Dukes: That's the only way I go is hard. I don't soften up for nobody and there's no reason to let up or give in. I don't care if you're short or tall, big or slim--I'm going in there hard. If you're man enough to stand in there, you're probably going to get a lot of body over the top by the time the play's over. That's just how I play. My game is similar to Pete Rose when it comes to sliding--you slide in hard and something's going to happen. Guys are going to move out of the way or umpires might not see the tag. When you slide in hard, things are going to happen.

Kline: How are things dealing with the Blue Monster (at the Durham Bulls Athletic Park) in left field?

Dukes: It's been a process. I'm missing some of the assists I should be getting that I normally would get if we were playing in a normal depth outfield. But I've been getting out there to take more balls off the wall to learn it a little better. Right now I'm short-handing balls, coming up short a little bit on my throws. And it's tough judging balls off that wall with all of the spin. I'm going to be taking balls off there during BP every day and take it a little more seriously than I have been taking it.

Kline: Just from seeing you interacting with (Rays farm director) Mitch Lukevics, it seems like the two of you have a pretty good relationship. What kind of role does he play in your life and career?

Dukes: Mitch is like a father from home. Ever since I came into this organization, Mitch has been one of the guys that I call all season, call him on Father's Day, call him on Christmas. Guys like that you just have to keep in touch with. He doesn't care what the situation is, he's going to view you just like anybody else. Like he always told me, yeah, I've made mistakes, but if he had to put his size 11½ shoe up my butt to get me to listen and get me on the right path, it was going to happen. Once he said that, I knew that he was one of the guys for me. Mitch is one of the greatest guys in baseball.

Kline: You've said before you weren't a big music guy and you thought you were the only player in the organization that didn't have an iPod. Is there anything you do listen to at all?

Dukes: I listen to Neo a lot. I'm an R&B type of guy right now. I listen to a lot of slow jams, but I'm still not big on music, really. All these guys have iPods. They have like 3,000 songs in them, but it's not 3,000 good songs. There aren't 3,000 good songs out there. All those jokers (who have them) are just trying to catch somebody's eye or something. I'll probably just keep the CD player for a long time.

Kline: So what else do you do in any kind of downtime you have?

Dukes: I play with the guys sometimes, but it's really been my PSP (Playstation Portable) this season and of course, Tiger Woods. I just play the PSP because I'm more of a loner. Mostly everybody hangs out all the time and I just sit in there, play the PSP or watch ESPN, that's it.


Offline UMDNats

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Re: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes...
« Reply #224 on: June 22, 2007, 02:19:32 pm »
Great, the guy's a loner on a MLB team.  Calls players with iPods "jokers." Not really a great attitude...

Some good things though, like working with underpriveleged kids. At least he doesn't sound like a complete idiot.