Author Topic: Nats looking @ Elijah Dukes... (Read 22838 times)

Dave B · « **Reply #225 on:** June 22, 2007, 02:53:50 pm »

I dont think being a loner or calling people jokers has anything to do with anything.

spidernat · « **Reply #226 on:** June 22, 2007, 02:56:18 pm »

Quote from: Dave B on June 22, 2007, 02:53:50 pm

I dont think being a loner or calling people jokers has anything to do with anything.

Damn, you beat me to it.

Nat of the Living Dead · « **Reply #227 on:** June 22, 2007, 02:56:56 pm »

In a sort of weird way he is correct: its not like he has committed some massive crime here. There is no law in the MLB that says you can't be an angry individual and be a complete arrogant jackass (see Balco Bonds).

He also seems to realize he has an anger problem and that he needs guidance. The first step in solving any problem is admitting he has a problem.

ronnynat · « **Reply #228 on:** June 22, 2007, 03:04:53 pm »

Quote from: Nat of the LivingDead on June 22, 2007, 02:56:56 pm

In a sort of weird way he is correct: its not like he has committed some massive crime here. There is no law in the MLB that says you can't be an angry individual and be a complete arrogant jackass (see Balco Bonds).

He also seems to realize he has an anger problem and that he needs guidance. The first step in solving any problem is admitting he has a problem.

He's no Pac Man Jones, that's for sure. I think the media has just seen the kind of response that stories like Jones and others has brought and is picking on the MLB players w/ any sort of "problem". I'll tell you this much, they're not trying to help.

nats2playoffs · « **Reply #229 on:** June 22, 2007, 03:31:18 pm »

Quote from: ronnynat on June 22, 2007, 01:11:45 pm

Just watch any of the homers on this page by Dukes. Man, I'll take that any day. He's a scary looking dude up there too.
http://tampabay.devilrays.mlb.com/multimedia/tp_archive.jsp?c_id=tb&ym=200705

One of those HRs might not have left RFK. He does have a nice, classic home run swing.

Dave B · « **Reply #230 on:** June 22, 2007, 03:55:42 pm »

Really all he is guilty of is procreating. Thats not really a crime. Well, he threatened his wife too, but I dont think we have the whole story there. It is most likely a dysfunctional relationship between two crazy people and they are bound to have drama. He impregnated her, then impregnated two other women, then got her pregnant again like 3 years later (i'm lazy and dont feel like looking up the chart in the 10 pages of this thread). It takes two to tango and if sending a text/pix message is his way of expressing anger, its better than actually hitting someone.

Although, I'd rather him not actually own guns with which to pose in pix messages.

He's no angel and clearly needs help (errr guidance).

I think he is worth trying out.

Would I go watch him play? Yes. Would I go to Love (the nightclub) with him at 3am? No

mikehughes · « **Reply #231 on:** June 22, 2007, 03:57:19 pm »

Elijah Dukes just got pulled from the 40 man roster for Dutin Mohr, Either hes been sent down or cut or somethings about to happen.

Dave B · « **Reply #232 on:** June 22, 2007, 04:02:00 pm »

between this and the caps' hopefully looming trades, the suspense is killing me. the dukes suspense of last week wore off, now it is 50% back

natsfan1a · « **Reply #233 on:** June 22, 2007, 05:03:10 pm »

I think that both are relevant in the context of a team sport. None of them is playing in a vacuum.

Quote from: Dave B on June 22, 2007, 02:53:50 pm

I dont think being a loner or calling people jokers has anything to do with anything.

UMDNats · « **Reply #234 on:** June 22, 2007, 05:20:33 pm »

Quote from: Dave B on June 22, 2007, 02:53:50 pm

I dont think being a loner or calling people jokers has anything to do with anything.

What? The guy alienates himself from his team. There really aren't guys like that on winning teams. It's one thing to be quiet, but to say your teammates are jokers (not in the haha way) and that you spend more time on your PSP than with your teammates is troublesome to me. Our team seems to be pretty happy-go-lucky and has a good clubhouse from what I can tell. A guy coming in there with a loner attitude won't improve it.

It's a team sport. To be successful you need good communication and good chemistry. All indications say that he doesn't provide that.

metssuck · « **Reply #235 on:** June 22, 2007, 05:30:09 pm »

JOse Guillen was a fiery outfielder with some 'tude and we loved him. bring homes, Dukes.

natsfan1a · « **Reply #236 on:** June 22, 2007, 05:37:18 pm »

Although, if I recall correctly there was a point that the team was doing better when Guillen was on the DL and then slumped when he rejoined them. During the same period, I recall there being some buzz about his being a negative influence on the clubhouse. I don't recall that anything was ever published with attribution in that regard, though.

Quote from: metssuck on June 22, 2007, 05:30:09 pm

JOse Guillen was a fiery outfielder with some 'tude and we loved him. bring homes, Dukes.

nats2playoffs · « **Reply #237 on:** June 22, 2007, 05:40:34 pm »

It's official... (The word on the Devil Rays' message board is that AAA Durham does not want him back, and does not have to accept him.)

"ST. PETERSBURG -- The Tampa Bay Devil Rays have optioned outfielder Elijah Dukes to the Minor Leagues and placed him on the temporary inactive list. The Rays also selected veteran outfielder Dustan Mohr from Durham (AAA) and transferred outfielder Rocco Baldelli from the 15-day disabled list to the 60-day DL. Dukes, 22, was batting .190 (35-184) with 10 HR and 21 RBI in 52 games with the Rays. He is tied for the major league lead in home runs among rookies and ranked second with 33 walks. He was selected by the Rays in the third round of the 2002 June Draft out of Hillsborough High School in Tampa.

Mohr, 31, was hitting .229 (46-201) for the Bulls with 15 doubles, nine home runs and 24 RBI in 58 games. He owns a .250 average with 48 home runs and 154 RBI in 497 career games over all or parts of the last six seasons with Twins, Giants, Rockies and Red Sox. He has a career average of .406 (13-32) at Tropicana Field. He was originally selected by the Indians in the ninth round of the 1997 Draft and signed by the Rays as a Minor League free agent on Nov. 29, 2006.

Dave B · « **Reply #238 on:** June 22, 2007, 06:05:23 pm »

Quote from: Nats19 on June 22, 2007, 05:20:33 pm

What? The guy alienates himself from his team. There really aren't guys like that on winning teams. It's one thing to be quiet, but to say your teammates are jokers (not in the haha way) and that you spend more time on your PSP than with your teammates is troublesome to me. Our team seems to be pretty happy-go-lucky and has a good clubhouse from what I can tell. A guy coming in there with a loner attitude won't improve it.

It's a team sport. To be successful you need good communication and good chemistry. All indications say that he doesn't provide that.

There are varying degrees of loners. There are loners in all clubhouses. Some guys just shower and go home. I have no idea what kind of tone he referred to people as jokers. I think you are reading too much into this.

Baseball is hardly a team game. You dont really need chemistry. You can hit, field, run, and throw regardless of what anybody else on your team does. Its not a QB/WR receiver realtionship.

As people have said before, the Yankees in the 70's hated each other and won.

If he is playing his PSP, he is not hurting anyone. What would you think if he said all he does is read?

Air Zimmerman · « **Reply #239 on:** June 22, 2007, 06:07:09 pm »

BRING DUKES TO DC!!!

UMDNats · « **Reply #240 on:** June 22, 2007, 06:27:58 pm »

Quote from: Dave B on June 22, 2007, 06:05:23 pm

There are varying degrees of loners. There are loners in all clubhouses. Some guys just shower and go home. I have no idea what kind of tone he referred to people as jokers. I think you are reading too much into this.

Baseball is hardly a team game. You dont really need chemistry. You can hit, field, run, and throw regardless of what anybody else on your team does. Its not a QB/WR receiver realtionship.

As people have said before, the Yankees in the 70's hated each other and won.

If he is playing his PSP, he is not hurting anyone. What would you think if he said all he does is read?

I probably am reading too much into this, and yes I agree baseball of all major sports doesn't need chemistry. But there's something to be said for an energetic young guy who is just looking to make it and hang out with the guys, which he doesn't come off as. I understand being the quiet type, being one, but when it comes to professional sports I'd prefer to see an energetic team guy.

I just don't think we need to give up anything good to get him. It seems like he just wants to play and well, we can give him that. I'm willing to take a risk, but not at the expense of a top prospect.

Dave B · « **Reply #241 on:** June 22, 2007, 06:38:53 pm »

Quote from: Nats19 on June 22, 2007, 06:27:58 pm

I probably am reading too much into this, and yes I agree baseball of all major sports doesn't need chemistry. But there's something to be said for an energetic young guy who is just looking to make it and hang out with the guys, which he doesn't come off as. I understand being the quiet type, being one, but when it comes to professional sports I'd prefer to see an energetic team guy.

I just don't think we need to give up anything good to get him. It seems like he just wants to play and well, we can give him that. I'm willing to take a risk, but not at the expense of a top prospect.

Energy? Apparently he loves taking out middle infielders at second base. Works for me

Kenz aFan · « **Reply #242 on:** June 22, 2007, 06:42:44 pm »

Quote from: Dave B on June 22, 2007, 06:38:53 pm

Energy? Apparently he loves taking out middle infielders at second base. Works for me

Oh yea, me too... Maybe he's the next Ty Cobb... Jr.

metssuck · « **Reply #243 on:** June 22, 2007, 06:54:20 pm »

DO you think they would take Watson straight up for Dukes? We could also throw in Jerome WIlliams when hes healthy

natsfan1a · « **Reply #244 on:** June 22, 2007, 06:59:06 pm »

I understand your point but it is by definition a team sport in that each player is part of a team. Just wanted to clarify that as one who works with words.

Quote from: Dave B on June 22, 2007, 06:05:23 pm

Baseball is hardly a team game. You dont really need chemistry. You can hit, field, run, and throw regardless of what anybody else on your team does. Its not a QB/WR receiver realtionship.

natsfan1a · « **Reply #245 on:** June 23, 2007, 01:19:58 pm »

More on Dukes' dealings with law enforcement officers/judicial system:

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/23/Rays/Rays_shelve_vexed_Duk.shtml

Dave B · « **Reply #246 on:** June 23, 2007, 03:14:11 pm »

Quote from: natsfan1a on June 23, 2007, 01:19:58 pm

More on Dukes' dealings with law enforcement officers/judicial system:

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/06/23/Rays/Rays_shelve_vexed_Duk.shtml

wow

tomterp · « **Reply #247 on:** June 23, 2007, 03:39:30 pm »

Quote from: Dave B on June 23, 2007, 03:14:11 pm

wow

Yeah, that's a lot of stuff. Too much, in my view. Sort of indicates severe character defects, wouldn't you say?

nats2playoffs · « **Reply #248 on:** June 23, 2007, 03:55:53 pm »

Quote from: natsfan1a on June 22, 2007, 06:59:06 pm

I understand your point but it is by definition a team sport in that each player is part of a team. Just wanted to clarify that as one who works with words.

Excerpt from the article natsfan1a posted:

"Rays officials grew frustrated with the distractions, and players and coaches told management they didn't want him around."

hammondsnats · « **Reply #249 on:** June 27, 2007, 01:20:52 pm »

good to see a thread i started has gone 10 pages. anywho i wrote this sometime early last week, if you're looking for time to kill, enjoy:

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If the opportunity to acquire Devil Rays outfielder Elijah Dukes is knocking at the door, then Nationals General Manager Jim Bowden better the hell open the door and let him in. He should greet him and say, "hey there Mr. Dukes. We have this brand new house opening up, I'm offering you the penthouse room and a chance to get away from your past. The one catch: you must abide by our zero-tolerance policy. Is that something you might be interested in?"

If he's not at the door, then get on the phone and invite him over. I'll call him. I'll send a limo, or the team's private jet. (Do we even have one?) In fact, I'll go wherever the D-Rays are playing right now and get him. Oh, it turns out it's actually Tampa Bay. Nevermind.

Then how about I just order a Nationals "#35 Dukes" jersey and not take it off until a transaction is made. Deal?

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I'm in favor of bringing him here.