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Offline raleighnat

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1050: January 16, 2021, 06:29:14 PM »
Realmuto is a pipe dream.

2 million for Zim, 7-10 million for one of Rondon, Quintana, or Walker. That will round it out

Gotta do more than that I think.  You can’t run Robles, Gomes, and Keiboom out together on a regular basis.  Still a bat short. 

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1051: January 16, 2021, 07:17:08 PM »
Gotta do more than that I think.  You can’t run Robles, Gomes, and Keiboom out together on a regular basis.  Still a bat short. 
Yea, well, people in hell want ice water

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1052: January 18, 2021, 12:08:55 AM »
Yea, well, people in hell want ice water

Not about what I want.  It’s just not enough to compete for division as is in my opinion. 

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1053: January 18, 2021, 05:56:13 AM »
Not about what I want.  It’s just not enough to compete for division as is in my opinion.

Agreed. At this point your doing a lot of "hoping" at many key additions

1.  Schwarber some how isn't an abomination at the plate
2.  Bell can turn half a season into a career going forward
3.  Kieboom/Garcia take a Soto like jump
4.  Robles can find himself to be a professional hitter

And that's not even touching the rotation concerns AND how much worse we are defensively. Im not hating on the Bell/Schwarber moves as much as the rest of this place but if you're going to go all in on offense, you need to actually go all in. Not throw some stuff against the wall and hope it sticks.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1054: January 18, 2021, 11:11:15 AM »
Pretty unrealistic to hope that Kieboom or Garcia are going to transform into hall of fame hitters

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1055: January 18, 2021, 11:27:33 AM »
Agreed. At this point your doing a lot of "hoping" at many key additions

1.  Schwarber some how isn't an abomination at the plate
2.  Bell can turn half a season into a career going forward
3.  Kieboom/Garcia take a Soto like jump
4.  Robles can find himself to be a professional hitter

And that's not even touching the rotation concerns AND how much worse we are defensively. Im not hating on the Bell/Schwarber moves as much as the rest of this place but if you're going to go all in on offense, you need to actually go all in. Not throw some stuff against the wall and hope it sticks.

"Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things," A. Dufresne.

Every year we have to hope that things will go well, it's the nature of the game.  Last year we hoped that Kieboom could be a serviceable 3B and that Thames would provide power in the middle and protection for Soto, that obviously didn't work out.

The year before we hoped that Kendrick would return to form, that Soto wouldn't have a sophomore slump, and that the pitching would hold together.  That obviously did work (except for Dozier at 2B and the bullpen).

I don't think we need Kieboom or Garcia to take a Soto-like jump, we just need them to post average or slightly above league average offensive numbers.  And we need Bell and Schwarber to return to something close to 2019.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1056: January 18, 2021, 06:23:59 PM »
Nats in talks with Jon Lester per Rosenthal.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1057: January 18, 2021, 06:27:16 PM »
Nats in talks with Jon Lester per Rosenthal.

His name has come up a lot. Anibal is scheduled to throw for scouts soon as well.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1058: January 18, 2021, 06:33:42 PM »
Nats in talks with Jon Lester per Rosenthal.
Really dont see him leaving Wrigley and getting better

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1059: January 18, 2021, 06:34:44 PM »
Nats in talks with Jon Lester per Rosenthal.
So what would he get?  $6-7 million?


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« Reply #1060: January 18, 2021, 06:36:21 PM »
Really dont see him leaving Wrigley and getting better
If he could get his ERA to 4.50 that would likely be better than what they could get from Fede or Voth over a season.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1061: January 18, 2021, 07:34:49 PM »
The defense is going to be horrifically bad

Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1062: January 18, 2021, 07:43:37 PM »
Nats in talks with Jon Lester per Rosenthal.

Interesting. I like this move

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1063: January 18, 2021, 07:44:51 PM »
Heyman says we’re working toward an agreement with Lester. Sounds like it’s pretty close to being done. Davey bringing the Cubs here.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1064: January 18, 2021, 07:44:59 PM »
The defense is going to be horrifically bad

Bad...though likely not 1962 Mets level bad...

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1065: January 18, 2021, 07:46:43 PM »
Bad...though likely not 1962 Mets level bad...
If you count baserunning as part of defense, yes, that bad.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1066: January 18, 2021, 08:20:02 PM »
We're like an 83-win team. This roster screams, "Mark told me to be competitive but stay under luxury tax and add no big contracts."

Offline raleighnat

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1067: January 18, 2021, 08:30:36 PM »
We seem to be straddling directions with the goal of not being bad.  For me, not being bad matters.  If you’re bad, the seasons over in May and you don’t really enjoy the season as a fan.  Hope at least lingers.  And this strategy avoids bad contracts while you rebuild the farm.  Alternative is to go after Springer or Realmuto, or really deplete the farm to step up the offense.  But it probably makes sense to hold our powder, lock up Soto long term at some point and really be ready to compete for a WS in a couple of years.   Can always revisit at trade deadline too.  We e had a really good 8 year run and WS championship to go with it.  Shouldn’t be hard to rebuild fast. 

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1068: January 18, 2021, 08:42:00 PM »
Chicago is the new Arizona.

Now, let's get Kris Bryant.

Offline Greg_SRT

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1069: January 18, 2021, 08:49:18 PM »
I really don’t see it as they are aiming to just not be bad. I think they are aiming for some to bounce back, and if they aren’t devastated by injuries be competitive in the NL.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1070: January 18, 2021, 08:51:33 PM »
There's a Lester-specific thread now.

Offline Natsinpwc

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1071: January 18, 2021, 09:20:27 PM »
If you count baserunning as part of defense, yes, that bad.
You never saw the 62 Mets.

Offline DCFan

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1072: January 18, 2021, 09:52:29 PM »
Chicago is the new Arizona.

Glad to see you're just figuring this out.  :whistle:

Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1073: January 19, 2021, 11:10:47 AM »
We seem to be straddling directions with the goal of not being bad.  For me, not being bad matters.  If you’re bad, the seasons over in May and you don’t really enjoy the season as a fan.  Hope at least lingers.  And this strategy avoids bad contracts while you rebuild the farm.  Alternative is to go after Springer or Realmuto, or really deplete the farm to step up the offense.  But it probably makes sense to hold our powder, lock up Soto long term at some point and really be ready to compete for a WS in a couple of years.   Can always revisit at trade deadline too.  We e had a really good 8 year run and WS championship to go with it.  Shouldn’t be hard to rebuild fast.

I don't think Rizzo and the Lerners ever want a total rebuild.  More a re-tooling.  Starting pitching is the backbone.  At 32 and 31 and with their contracts, the plan is obviously for Strasburg and Corbin to remain frontline starters for several years to come.  With Max's money coming off the books, there will be flexibility to replace him with a younger elite guy.  Then you have some high draft pick SP you hope pan out.

Offensively, you have a HOF guy in Soto to build around.  We'll see if Turner is part of the long-term.  We'll also see if Robles, Kieboom, Garcia, Stevenson, etc can progress and become true building blocks.

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Re: 2020-21 Offseason
« Reply #1074: January 19, 2021, 11:30:30 AM »
What does a realistic package for Wilson Contreras look like?